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Old 07-15-2006, 12:26 AM
sanmarcosrun1 sanmarcosrun1 is offline
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Default River a spot to overbet pot? (11 FTP)

Comments on all streets are welcome but my question is about the river. Is this a spot where an overbet of the pot is good since the Ace paired on board to make it look like a bluff? My initial thought was just bet a small amount I was fairly certain would get called but now I am thinking it was wrong play. Villain is a calling station type.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t25/t50
7 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
hero: t2300
UTG+1: t1455
MP1: t1500
CO: t1205
Button: t860
SB: t4490
BB: t1690

Pre-flop: (7 players) hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
hero calls t50 <font color="#aaaaaa">(pot was t75)</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls t50 <font color="#aaaaaa">(pot was t125)</font>, 3 folds, 3 folds, BB checks.

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t175, 3 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">hero bets t100</font>, MP1 calls t100 <font color="#aaaaaa">(pot was t275)</font>, BB folds.

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t375, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">hero bets t200</font>, MP1 calls t200 <font color="#aaaaaa">(pot was t575)</font>.

River: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t775, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">hero bets t200</font>, MP1 calls t200 <font color="#aaaaaa">(pot was t975)</font>.

Results:
Final pot: t1175
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Old 07-15-2006, 12:30 AM
DevinLake DevinLake is offline
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Default Re: River a spot to overbet pot? (11 FTP)

Pretty drawless board, so I'd say if he called ur flop and turn bets he's probably calling a river bet. I'd probably bet between 500/600...just under half his remaining stack.
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Old 07-15-2006, 12:33 AM
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Default Re: River a spot to overbet pot? (11 FTP)

i dont think so. i would have value bet for 400-500 that might get a call from a Q. if he has an ace he will prolly raise and you can get the money in the middle anyway but if he don't he will prolly fold to a big bet. it really looks like he has a weak ace or a Q because there are no draws.
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Old 07-15-2006, 12:39 AM
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Default Re: River a spot to overbet pot? (11 FTP)

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Villain is a calling station type.


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Based on your read, bet more on the river.
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Old 07-15-2006, 12:42 AM
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Default Re: River a spot to overbet pot? (11 FTP)

What do you guys think about check-raising the flop?
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Old 07-15-2006, 12:43 AM
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Default Re: River a spot to overbet pot? (11 FTP)

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What do you guys think about check-raising the flop?

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i dont like it with the villain being loose/passive.
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Old 07-15-2006, 12:47 AM
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Default Re: River a spot to overbet pot? (11 FTP)

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What do you guys think about check-raising the flop?

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I like leading out better. This was an unraised pot and I want to give a calling station every opportunity to give call down with Ax and Qx. I think a c/r will give villain an opportunity to abandon his hand in the face of a big bet on the flop.
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Old 07-15-2006, 12:48 AM
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Default Re: River a spot to overbet pot? (11 FTP)

do you fold to a raise?
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Old 07-15-2006, 12:49 AM
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do you fold to a raise?

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o god no. a fold here would be horrendous.
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Old 07-15-2006, 12:52 AM
sanmarcosrun1 sanmarcosrun1 is offline
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Default Re: River a spot to overbet pot? (11 FTP)

no because he raises pf with any pp even 22 so I have the best hand here. I bet at alot of flops so it looks like nothing more than me bluffing at a pot and he wants to let me know that he can't be bluffed.

Thanks all for the range amount to bet on river. I see now that I bet far too little. Much appreciated.
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