Passive AA bellagio 1-2

bxpeter · #1 07-12-2006, 01:35 PM

Decent 9-handed 100/200 game at the bellagio.

The game has been pretty quiet besides one super soft spot. Everyone else was solid. I have been playing pretty straightforward.

I get AA UTG+1 and raise it up. Tight/solid/carddead woman 3-bets me from MP (shes not asian). Everyone folds and I just call.

Flop is QQJ. I checkraise her and she 3-bets. I call her 3-bet.

The turn is a King. I check, she checks.

River is something irrelevant. I check and call her bet.

Preflop, given the way the game was going, I thought a 4-bet would severely kill my action unless she had QQ - AA. On the flop, I don't think I really have too many other options.

How about the turn and river? Check-calling the river seems bad... but is bet-calling any better?

Paluka · #2 07-12-2006, 01:44 PM

I would just go ahead and cap preflop in this spot, but if I did just call I would have played same way postflop.

Nate tha\\\' Great · #3 07-12-2006, 01:55 PM

I think you're ahead a high % of the time on the flop. IMO, a nitty player who is stuck a little bit is liable to slowplay a flopped boat until the turn given this action, as well as probably AQ, which is slightly unlikely given the cards that are out (and MIGHT not 3-bet preflop). So it's tempting to 4-bet and continue to lead. That said, if there's some chance that she'll lay down a hand like AK or TT to a 4-bet, perhaps calling is right.

In any event, I think the clearest mistakes in this hand are preflop, and on the river, where you should have raised her bet.

Your Mom · #4 07-12-2006, 02:42 PM

It looks like she has the other AA or something you crush.

skp · #5 07-12-2006, 02:57 PM

I agree that the river was a mistake but leaving aside the checkraise, I think it was a mistake to check in the first place. I mean, she might well have TT and simply check it down.

I would have obviously liked the river checkraise more if the turn was a blank and the river was a King.

Nate tha\\\' Great · #6 07-12-2006, 03:02 PM

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I agree that the river was a mistake but leaving aside the checkraise, I think it was a mistake to check in the first place. I mean, she might well have TT and simply check it down.

I would have obviously liked the river checkraise more if the turn was a blank and the river was a King.

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If she has something like TT or 99, then I think it's going to be hard to get a bet out of her no matter what we do, as you're left weighing the probability of her making a crying call versus what amounts to a desperation bluff.

Paluka · #7 07-12-2006, 03:57 PM

I don't mind the river check because in my experience your opponent will bet every hand they would have called you with anyway, and sometimes they will have the quads or full house or trips that you have to pay off. I don't think getting a bet from AK is likely here, so I'm not really counting hte value bet vs AK for much.

skp · #8 07-12-2006, 04:14 PM

What about getting a call from AJ?

I am not sure how we can induce a bluff or a thin value bet from her by checking. She 3 bet before the flop which mostly signifies big ace or pocket pair. With those hands, I think she checks the river nearly all the time if we check. If we bet, then IMO she will call with TT or AJ often enough to make the bet worthwhile.

Paluka · #9 07-12-2006, 05:45 PM

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What about getting a call from AJ?

I am not sure how we can induce a bluff or a thin value bet from her by checking. She 3 bet before the flop which mostly signifies big ace or pocket pair. With those hands, I think she checks the river nearly all the time if we check. If we bet, then IMO she will call with TT or AJ often enough to make the bet worthwhile.

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I would expect AJ to bet the river thinking that I have AK or TT.
The more I think about it, I don't really like this hand now. I play some hands like this, but I cap a lot of hands preflop. To give up the small bet preflop and then also give up some bets by playing passively postflop seems like a bad combination.

skp · #10 07-12-2006, 06:26 PM

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I would expect AJ to bet the river thinking that I have AK or TT.

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But there is a King on board so she wouldn't bet AJ if she thought the other guy had AK.

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The more I think about it, I don't really like this hand now. I play some hands like this, but I cap a lot of hands preflop. To give up the small bet preflop and then also give up some bets by playing passively postflop seems like a bad combination.

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I agree.