Ladies - river decision (turn too)

Commie · #1 07-10-2006, 08:32 PM

Both villains are about 50/25/2, no concrete/useful reads on them yet.

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Pacific Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (9SB, 4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, SB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6.5BB, 4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, SB raises, UTG folds, UTG+1 3-bets, Hero calls, SB calls.

When SB check-raised I put him on trying to push out UTG and UTG+1. When UTG+1 reraised I saw this as either him having a made hand or possibly trying to push me off of my hand. I didn't want to fold my overpair that easy so I just called.

River: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (15.5BB, 3 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero ???

Since they both seemed to fail at whatever they were trying to do on the turn, what do I do now? Raise? Call?.... Fold?

bobhalford · #2 07-10-2006, 08:51 PM

I'd bet. I don't think you can raise, call, or fold here.

jstill · #3 07-10-2006, 08:55 PM

its checked to you on the river right so raising isnt an option and folding would be lol. I'd bet here without question. Turns tougher but I think its relatively clear cut your getting about 6:1ish with questionable outs and the raiser left to act behind you. I don't think you can fold it because of the times you have the hidden outs to counterfeit two pair in addition to just the diamonds and/or the two queens or simply have the best hand right now with the UTG semibluffing a pair picked up draw or trying to protect his hand (the diamonds alone of which making calling 2 here +EV if your draw is good even against a currently small made flush) I dont see a reason to cap you're not gettin even the small out with the K or A of diamonds and 3 bettors not going anywhere unless ur WA maybe you could get a free showdown but that doesnt warrant not just going into call down mode here in position.

jstill · #4 07-10-2006, 09:00 PM

hmm probably should have spaced that response out a bit more ive never been one for paragraph spacing let alone punctuation to split up my nonsensical run on sentences. let me know anyone if any of it is befuddling

ninenine_zoe · #5 07-10-2006, 09:02 PM

T2 no longer good. so bet.

Commie · #6 07-10-2006, 09:19 PM

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I'd bet. I don't think you can raise, call, or fold here.

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Lol I hate you all.

Thank you for the advice [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I'll *bet*!

TheHip41 · #7 07-10-2006, 09:42 PM

On the turn, I feel like I'm losing, and I'm drawing to my flush. If I had Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] I'm folding to the turn 3bet.

On the river, I've counterfeited somehands, but I'm never betting here. I figure I'm losing on the turn, I feel I'm still losing on the river.

Just check behind and hope you win.

Redd · #8 07-10-2006, 10:15 PM

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On the turn, I feel like I'm losing, and I'm drawing to my flush. If I had Q Q I'm folding to the turn 3bet.

On the river, I've counterfeited somehands, but I'm never betting here. I figure I'm losing on the turn, I feel I'm still losing on the river.

Just check behind and hope you win.

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to this whole post.

True · #9 07-10-2006, 10:29 PM

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On the turn, I feel like I'm losing, and I'm drawing to my flush. If I had Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] I'm folding to the turn 3bet.

On the river, I've counterfeited somehands, but I'm never betting here. I figure I'm losing on the turn, I feel I'm still losing on the river.

Just check behind and hope you win.

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This is close to the exact post I would have made

True

Commie · #10 07-10-2006, 10:51 PM

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On the turn, I feel like I'm losing, and I'm drawing to my flush. If I had Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] I'm folding to the turn 3bet.

On the river, I've counterfeited somehands, but I'm never betting here. I figure I'm losing on the turn, I feel I'm still losing on the river.

Just check behind and hope you win.

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Yup I ended up going with the checkeroo, then posted it here immediately after [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] As long as my decision wasn't completely idiotic I'm happy.