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Old 07-10-2006, 03:13 PM
holograham holograham is offline
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Default 100 NL TT

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP ($216.53)
CO ($50)
Hero ($111)
SB ($183.90)
BB ($391.73)
UTG ($100)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $1. SB posts a blind of $0.50. UTG posts a blind of $1.
UTG (poster) checks, MP calls $1, <font color="#CC3333">CO (poster) raises to $2.52</font>, Hero calls $3.52, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls $2.52, MP folds.

Analysis: In position, standard preflop raise I call. I dont usually reraise here against an unknown. I dont think I should fold it either

Flop: ($13.06) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $10.38</font>, Hero calls $10.38, UTG folds.

Analysis: Roughly pot sized bet on the flop. I have an overpair. This is where I think I screwed up. Should I reraise here? Fold?

Turn: ($33.82) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
CO calls $36.10 (All-In), Hero calls $36.10.

Analysis: Crap...picked up a straight draw and he goes all in. Im thinking I should have folded it here. Damn shortstack.

River: ($106.02) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $106.02
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Old 07-10-2006, 03:21 PM
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Default Re: 100 NL TT

3bet preflop in position.
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Old 07-10-2006, 03:21 PM
los_toros los_toros is offline
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Default Re: 100 NL TT

Reraise preflop to define your hand. I don't like playing TT so passively; especially since most flop raises are putting CO AI.
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Old 07-10-2006, 03:24 PM
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Default Re: 100 NL TT

3 bet even against a short stack?
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Old 07-10-2006, 03:36 PM
los_toros los_toros is offline
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Default Re: 100 NL TT

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3 bet even against a short stack?

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Yes, because you can easily fold preflop ... whereas postflop it becomes much more difficult and stack sizes come into play.

3x his raise preflop and see what happens.
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Old 07-10-2006, 03:52 PM
ThePortuguee ThePortuguee is offline
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3bet preflop in position.

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Why the hell does everyone want to threebet preflop? Are you all seriously in the habit of reraising with TT preflop? This hand doesn't seem to be at all the type of hand you want to do that with. Unless you flop a set, what on earth is your plan for the rest of the hand given that you have a marginal one pair hand in a pot you just unnecessarily bloateD?
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Old 07-10-2006, 03:56 PM
los_toros los_toros is offline
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Default Re: 100 NL TT

TT is a great holdem hand and you'll take the lead in the betting postflop.

We're playing 6max so the original preflop raiser doesn't always have pair over pair domination on us.

We need to calm down, define our hand with a 3bet and proceed accordingly. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 07-10-2006, 03:58 PM
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Default Re: 100 NL TT

I'll reraise a (full stacked) TAG with TT because you have the added PF FE there. You have to make hands against shorties, because they'll go to the felt quickly with most pairs and draws. I like the preflop call. The flop call is OK sort of. Fold on the turn. All pp's 77-AA are now beating you. Give him credit and move on. You are behind his range here.
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Old 07-10-2006, 04:11 PM
otis_nixon otis_nixon is offline
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Default Re: 100 NL TT

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3bet preflop in position.

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Why the hell does everyone want to threebet preflop?

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It's a good hand, you have position and it keeps your range wide. Even though practically at NL 50 and 100 I don't know how much your opponents are paying attention so it might not matter at all, I think it's probably a good idea as you move up (not that I know, since I'm just getting started and just getting to NL 100, it seems like a good habit.)

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Are you all seriously in the habit of reraising with TT preflop? This hand doesn't seem to be at all the type of hand you want to do that with. Unless you flop a set, what on earth is your plan for the rest of the hand given that you have a marginal one pair hand in a pot you just unnecessarily bloateD?

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A lot of the time he'll fold preflop, a lot of the time he'll fold to a c-bet if he calls with overs and they whiff, and occasionally you'll make a set and he'll have AA and the big pot will make it easy to get your stack in the middle.

And occasionally he'll 4-bet AA and that sucks too.
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Old 07-10-2006, 04:20 PM
Dan Bitel Dan Bitel is offline
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You are behind his range here.

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So?

We're getting 2:1, the question is, do we have it in equity, now are we ahead of his range.

vs just 77+ and AcKc we dont have odds:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

1,540 games 0.010 secs 154,000 games/sec

Board: 3s 8c 7d 9c
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 23.1818 % 21.75% 01.43% { ThTs }
Hand 2: 76.8182 % 75.39% 01.43% { 77+, AcKc }

But amazingly, we just need to add 66 in there and we do have odds. This isn't quite as easy a fold as people think

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

1,804 games 0.010 secs 180,400 games/sec

Board: 3s 8c 7d 9c
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 32.4279 % 31.21% 01.22% { ThTs }
Hand 2: 67.5721 % 66.35% 01.22% { 66+, AcKc }
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