KK against Tight-Passive (NL $50)

Sense1ess · #1 07-10-2006, 03:09 PM

Villian is 8/3/0 after about 80 hands on 2 tables.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP2 ($22.65)
CO ($13.93)
Button ($50.90)
SB Villain ($61)
Hero ($48.75)
UTG ($49.25)
UTG+1 ($9.95)
MP1 ($135.75)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Villain posts a blind of $0.25.
3 folds, MP2 calls $0.50, 2 folds, Villain (poster) completes, Hero raises to $2, MP2 folds, Villain calls $2.

Flop: ($5.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Villain checks, Hero bets $3, Villain raises to $9, Hero ???.

Ben Young · #2 07-10-2006, 03:11 PM

With an opponent this tight, I'd be scared of a set here. But I'd probably end up calling then checking to see what he does. I'm not reccomending this though, because there must be better advice than that.

Iconoclastic · #3 07-10-2006, 03:20 PM

If you are behind, and lose a medium sized pot when you fold, and lose your stack when you keep playing. If you are ahead, you lose a medium sized pot when you fold, and win a medium sized pot when you keep playing. That and the fact that his range is about 22,55,TT,JJ,QQ, and most of that range beats you, what you have here is an easy fold.

But hey, at least you get to eat up his SBs each orbit.

carnivalhobo · #4 07-10-2006, 03:22 PM

i think this guy raises TT+ here.

but he almost always has a set here IMO.

los_toros · #5 07-10-2006, 03:24 PM

The preflop action almost virtually removes JJ,QQ,KK,AA but not TT,22,55. If these are the only hands that Villian is playing this way, I fold.

Preflop I'd bump it to $3 instead.

Poker Fool · #6 07-10-2006, 03:54 PM

80 hands is small, but you got to go with what you know.

I think I fold here, just on the basis villian has shown no aggression post flop at all and now wakes up.

I want him to have JJ / QQ here and this is not impossible, if he only raises 3% of hands his re-raise range must be approaching AA, KK. (this can easily be rubbish given sample size)

He looks like a set miner right now.

I want someone else to find out what aggression from this guy means before I start commiting more chips into this pot.

otis_nixon · #7 07-10-2006, 04:04 PM

I think folding is really great here. He's a nit and there's just no reason to pay him off. If you fold a better hand, so be it, the pot's not that big and you'll never win a big pot without a real big hand against this guy.

I hate folding here and I think it takes a little bit of discipline to do it, but I think it's good.

Sense1ess · #8 07-10-2006, 04:41 PM

Thanks for the replies folks. I ended up folding. I have rarely encountered this situation recently, so I was worried that I may have made a tight fold.

crookdimwit · #9 07-10-2006, 04:50 PM

Yep, I'd fold this, too...

Against a random opponent, I'd call this, but given your read on the guy, I agree that this sure feels like he's holding TT or maybe 55. Same the gamble for another opponent who is more likely to be making this move with a weaker hand...

terp · #10 07-10-2006, 05:10 PM

i hate these spots but moreover i hate [censored] set mining nits. good fold, make him err by calling preflop with no implied odds.

fwiw, at full ring, i would say the majority of players do not raise much if anything at all out of the blinds, including pairs as big as QQ and AK. a lot of these guys just want to cheaply see a safe flop that gives them an overpair and then go nuts. still, this guy's stats and the c/r on the dry flop suggest a set more often than JJ/QQ here.