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Old 07-09-2006, 10:43 AM
Ikke Ikke is offline
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Default 25-50 NL Trips river decision

25/50NL, 10-handed.

I raise UTG+1 with Th8h, and only the button calls. I have 6k and he has me covered. So far I have seen one hand where he called in position the whole way on a low board where his opponent kept betting into him with AA (last bet was all-in call). He had a set there.

The flop is TT7 rainbow. I bet 200 in a 375 pot. He calls.

Turn is 5 (no fd), I bet 600 he calls.

River is the 9. I bet 1300, he goes all-in and I have about 3800 left.

Comments on the whole hand, especially river play?

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Old 07-09-2006, 12:57 PM
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Default Re: 25-50 NL Trips river decision

Pretty standard fold against almost all players
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Old 07-09-2006, 12:58 PM
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Default Re: 25-50 NL Trips river decision

Should I have bet the river, and if so, how much?
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Old 07-09-2006, 01:08 PM
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Default Re: 25-50 NL Trips river decision

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Should I have bet the river, and if so, how much?

[/ QUOTE ]You did bet the river, which is why I think it's a fold. This is hardly ever a bluff.

I like check/calling better. It allows us to see a showdown and gives villain a chance to bluff. I don't think villain will call a reasonable bet on the river without at T or better, though that's hardly worth much since we don't have reads.
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Old 07-09-2006, 02:11 PM
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Default Re: 25-50 NL Trips river decision

Only a certain type of player will have the 'audacity' to bluff raise that river 'knowing' that you don't have a T.

His raise on the river clearly shows he's not afraid of the T. In fact, he's probably hoping you have a T here. You're beat by way too many hands here. I check call a reasonable bet here because you do have showdown value and your opponent isn't calling a bet with a [censored] hand like a pair of sixes.
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Old 07-10-2006, 02:34 AM
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Default Re: 25-50 NL Trips river decision

Ikke,

Betting is far, far superior to checking on the river.
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Old 07-10-2006, 03:57 AM
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Default Re: 25-50 NL Trips river decision

Hey Diablo,

Like many of us former limit junkies, I'm trying to make the switch to NL, so if you could expand a bit on your thoughts on this hand it would be nice.

On the river I chose to bet 1300, mainly because of two reasons: It would leave him with about one pot-size raise, so if he decides to bluf it will be for about his stack (his stack was only slightly more than mine) and I thought an 80-90% potbet would also refrain him from bluffing/raising me with weaker hands.

OTOH, I think if I would have bet less, say half the pot (about 800), I could get paid off with more hands. But, he also might be more inclined to bluf, or to raise hands that he thinks are the best, but are not. So far in the hand, since I've been playing relatively tight, I think I mainly represented an overpair. He might think he could push me off that, and a smallish river bet will likely confirm his read IMO.

So what do you think? How much should I have bet the river and why? Should I have been more creative somewhere else in the hand (like for instance c/r turn)? In this case: fold river (is this an easy decision)?

Thanks in advance for answering.

Also, I will be in Vegas from july 18th. Any chance you will be there?

Regards
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Old 07-10-2006, 01:52 PM
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Default Re: 25-50 NL Trips river decision

me? i call.

only hand im worried about is 99
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Old 07-10-2006, 02:07 PM
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Default Re: 25-50 NL Trips river decision

if you vet more on the river, this is an easy fold. as played, it is still an easy fold (especially given your read that he slowplays big hands when y ou keep betting) but i still prefer a closer to pot sized river bet. you basically have nut low trips, so you don't beat much of anything except a bluff. ask yourself, how often is this line taken with a bluff? if we come up with the same answer, then you'll agree it is an easy muck.
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Old 07-10-2006, 02:12 PM
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Default Re: 25-50 NL Trips river decision

Yup, only hand you beat is T6 or a bluff and he isnt calling a raise with T6 and that would be a suicide bluff so fold.
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