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Old 07-02-2006, 06:48 PM
j831526 j831526 is offline
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Default Ac-6c in BB

.10 and .25 blinds on UB. I have Ac-6c in big blind.
UTG+1($10): call
Button: call
SB: call
BB(me): check

Flop: Kc, 6h, 2c pot: $1
me: .50
UTG+1: call
Button: fold
SB: fold

Pot: $2, Turn Kd
Me: $1.50
UTG+1: call

UTG+1 has been playing solid and somewhat aggressive. I've only been at the table about 20 min. I'm trying to decide if I want to fire another bullet on the river. I think he's got something like KQ and isn't sure where he stands when the 6s hits on the river giving me a set.

pot: $5 - me: $2
UTG+1: all in (raise of about $5 to me with almost $14 now in pot)

Oops - didn't expect that! Now what?
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Old 07-02-2006, 07:09 PM
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Default Re: Ac-6c in BB

so you gotta fullhouse and are worried about calling 5 bucks in a 14 dollar pot???

KdKc + 3 6s?
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Old 07-02-2006, 07:10 PM
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Default Re: Ac-6c in BB

Don't bet the flop. You just want to see the turncard and spike a 6/A/c.
I cannot see villain calling the turn with anything you beat. You massively overvalued your hand postflop and had no business betting the flop or the turn. As played your getting 2:1 odds on the river, but still I'm in doubt, your underfull is good here often enough.
But maybe I'm just missing something, because your HH looks pretty muddled.
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Old 07-02-2006, 07:21 PM
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Default Re: Ac-6c in BB

I dont think villain played this solidly if he has a king or 22.

That said:
Bet pot on flop.
You have lots of outs, but you dont mind everyone going away either.
Turn you should check and hope he bets something you can call.
If he has a K you only have the flush outs left.
Also, if he has a K he is not folding.
If he has KQ I am sure he feels very good about his hand.
So betting turn is bad because you have no fold equity.
Betting river is terrible,
because you have now committed yourself with what is likely the worst hand.
You dont have a set there, you have sixes full of kings.
And, if he has half a brain, villain will usually show you kings full of sixes.
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Old 07-02-2006, 07:24 PM
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Default Re: Ac-6c in BB

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Don't bet the flop.

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Hero has a very nice combo draw.
9 clubs + 3 aces + 2 sixes.
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Old 07-02-2006, 07:35 PM
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Default Re: Ac-6c in BB

At this limit, anything goes. I've seen vilian's with a K here and I've seen absolute rags here.

That said, I like betting this flop but I bet more than 1/2 the pot. You don't mind callers but you'd really like to take this down now. Given his smooth call I'd probably put him on the King. Knowing that, I'd check and see where it goes from there. Why'd you bet 1/2 pot on the flop and 3/4 on the turn when the last card you wanted to see hit? In your words, the villian is solid and somewhat aggressive, it scares the heck out of me he hasn't shown any. On the river action, I think I can expect to see a non King 1 out of 3 times so I very reluctantly call.

With all that said, I've been raising here pf when the button/CO is first in and only limps. Seems to be working fairly well so far. It has to be a fairly big bet as you don't want to play the entire hand oop so you'd like to take it down right now.
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Old 07-02-2006, 07:36 PM
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Default Re: Ac-6c in BB

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Don't bet the flop.

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Hero has a very nice combo draw.
9 clubs + 3 aces + 2 sixes.

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Oh - haven't seen, the flop had 2 clubs already. So now we can bet the flop, check turn and check/fold river.
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Old 07-02-2006, 08:11 PM
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Default Re: Ac-6c in BB

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so you gotta fullhouse and are worried about calling 5 bucks in a 14 dollar pot???

KdKc + 3 6s?

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This is exactly the type of thinking you need to get away.
Hand value is always relative to opponents range.

Our opponent's pushing range on the river doesn't really include any thing we beat unless opponent is insane.
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Old 07-03-2006, 02:31 PM
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Default Re: Ac-6c in BB

This (below) is the best comment I've seen so far. My opponent had slow played KK, and I did call because I thought KK shouldn't have been slow played on this flop.

I'm very surprised by those who want to check the turn and fold on the river. I only bet 1/2 the pot on the flop because my opponent started the hand with only a little over $10. If I make pot sized bets on the flop and turn, I'd probably get him pot committed, and with only a pair of 6's I lose the ability to play him off a better hand.

As the hand played out I think you MUST make a strong bet on the turn. If you check and let him bet the pot, you're basically conceding, and he may not have a king. When he called my turn bet I got VERY suspicious. I don't learn anything unless I bet out.

On the river I felt he might still have KQ and call a value bet. That may have been far too optimistic. My reason for posting this hand is to get opinions on the play at the river. Do I have enough information to put him on KK and check-fold or bet-fold? What was my best river strategy?

I'm obviously no expert since I play low limit, but I'm fairly sure it's correct to bet the flop and turn. Perhaps I should bet the whole pot on the flop and not try to manipulate the pot size. BTW: the cutoff was NOT first in. UTG+1 was first in, and the button (not CO) called. With 3 other players including an early position caller, I thought a BB raise was too aggressive. I'd probably be called by someone and be out of position.

Thanx for your respones - much appreciated!

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so you gotta fullhouse and are worried about calling 5 bucks in a 14 dollar pot???

KdKc + 3 6s?



This is exactly the type of thinking you need to get away.
Hand value is always relative to opponents range.

Our opponent's pushing range on the river doesn't really include any thing we beat unless opponent is insane.
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Old 07-03-2006, 02:50 PM
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Default Re: Ac-6c in BB

I'm not betting that river. What "solid" player would call with a worse hand?

Call a decent-sized bet, but easy fold to the push.
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