Tough hand at 100NL

Raised2Win · #1 07-02-2006, 11:05 AM

Villain is 30/3 , seems solid , won a big pot earlier by making a flush on turn and moving all in with it.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (10 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

CO ($93.20)
Button ($97.79)
SB ($59.65)
Hero ($281.73)
UTG ($25.40)
UTG+1 ($119.09)
UTG+2 ($183.93)
MP1 ($182.25)
MP2 ($94.80)
MP3 ($95.76)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
2 folds, UTG+2 calls $1, 1 fold, MP2 calls $1, 1 fold, CO calls $1, 1 fold, SB (poster) completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($5) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3, UTG+2 calls $3, MP2 folds, CO calls $3, SB folds.

Turn: ($14) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $9, UTG+2 raises to $18, CO folds, Hero raises to $42, UTG+2 calls $24.

River: ($98) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

Hero bets $32, UTG+2 raises all in

Final Pot: $98

~100$ more for me to call.

Obviously I was certain of my hand till the river, I know I made a mistake by just raising 24$ more on turn giving him too good odds to call(not that I wanted him to fold). After he called I knew he had a set / lower straight / flush draw + pair . I thought the best move for me in the river was to make a blocking bet. If he now has fh he will mostlikely move in and I should fold. and if he has something else he will call me or be to scared perhaprs to move all in on a bluff. Enough said what do you think about this hand.

kitaristi0 · #2 07-02-2006, 11:22 AM

I would bet more on the flop and turn and then 3bet push the turn.

sixhigh · #3 07-02-2006, 11:33 AM

Pot flop, Pot/3-bet-push turn. UTG basically told you he has a monster by minraising the turn and will most likely not fold to your push. As played you have to fold this river, 30/3 does not look agressive enough to assume he pushes here with anything you still beat.

Eagle Eye · #4 07-02-2006, 11:43 AM

I think this is a call. If he's solid, he's not limping with k5, kk; and he's not slowplaying a set off the flop with flush and straight draws out. Vilian has probably overplayed his top pair here. Call.

orange · #5 07-02-2006, 11:52 AM

i would bet the turn harder ($12 in $14 pot) then if miniraised, make it $75. maybe even push, there are tons of cards you dont want to see on the river. as played, i think the river is a fold.

sixhigh · #6 07-02-2006, 11:59 AM

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If he's solid, he's not limping with k5, kk; and he's not slowplaying a set off the flop with flush and straight draws out.

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30/3 is anything but solid. And unless proven otherwise I think it's normally correct at these stakes to presume that a turnminraise by a weak player means set or better. (And they do not care how drawheavy the board is, they are only worried about not losing customers.)

Mr_Donktastic · #7 07-02-2006, 12:05 PM

I would bet the turn a little harder and push or at least make a REALLY big bet if minraised. (If I made a big bet it would be enough to committ me to the hand, so effectively a push)

I think you're probably beat on the river by something dumb like 56, but who knows maybe not.

Jamougha · #8 07-02-2006, 12:17 PM

At very least you need to raise more on the turn so that the river is an easy push for a PSB or less.

I probably stack off on the river because I'm a calling station. Looks like a fold though.

Mr_Donktastic · #9 07-02-2006, 12:34 PM

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I would bet the turn a little harder and push or at least make a REALLY big bet if minraised. (If I made a big bet it would be enough to committ me to the hand, so effectively a push)

I think you're probably beat on the river by something dumb like 56, but who knows maybe not.

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oh yeah - i would check/call the river most of the time (or check/fold depending on the bet and villian)

I only use blocking bets for opponents that I know are capable of making big river bluffs, which imo are few and far between.

Tickner · #10 07-02-2006, 12:37 PM

I really dont put him on a boat. None of the hands that make a boat (a set or a hand with a 5 in it) make much sens based on how its been played so far. He looks like a weak player (not very agreesive), but feels like his king isnt getting enough value for like a 1/3 bet on the river (wtf is up with that?). Looks like a call for me. You need to bed more on the river, more like $60 or something, then when he pushes its easy to call and if he calls you get more value.

-Tickner