NL $50-2 KK hands

machine · #1 07-01-2006, 05:06 AM

There were no reads for this hand, only sat down like 8 hands ago.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($24.05)
UTG ($71.85)
UTG+1 ($140.75)
UTG+2 ($81.15)
Hero ($47.50)
MP2 ($26.25)
MP3 ($107.90)
CO ($50)
Button ($12)
SB ($74.65)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $0.50. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
3 folds, Hero raises to $2, 3 folds, SB (poster) calls $1.75, BB calls $1.50.

Flop: ($6.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets $6, BB raises to $15, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $27.50

Cant remember exactly but i think villan was 20/6/1.5

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MP2 ($13.25)
MP3 ($95.10)
CO ($45.75)
Button ($86.35)
Hero ($76.55)
BB ($37.45)
UTG ($90.60)
UTG+1 ($40.05)
UTG+2 ($12.50)
MP1 ($40.95)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.25.
2 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.50, 2 folds, MP3 calls $0.50, 1 fold, Button calls $0.50, Hero (poster) raises to $2.75, 1 fold, UTG+2 folds, MP3 folds, Button calls $2.50.

Flop: ($7.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $5, Button calls $5.

Turn: ($17.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $10, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $27.50

MyTurn2Raise · #2 07-01-2006, 05:08 AM

I hate hate hate hand 2

taggish villian might just be looking to take a pot from an unimproved AK or a player who gets timid with one overcard floping.

Sure, he might have a set, but I still think you are ahead of his range here.

avfletch · #3 07-01-2006, 05:08 AM

First one I do the same, second one I lead the turn for half pot or put in a big turn c/r I don't think vilain is ahead very often here, what exactly are you scared of?

Bukem_ · #4 07-01-2006, 05:11 AM

Hand 1 your fold is probably close to neutral ev. Sorry sb had ah5h at best, bb had qj.

2nd hand I don't play full ring anymore, but that fold looks really tight. Maybe bet/fold to a raise, don't put anymore money in or call, check fold river. 20/6 still cold calls qj and aq suited.(hopefully)

machine · #5 07-01-2006, 05:16 AM

dont like C/R on the turn i can see leading then folding to a re-raise as villan was pretty solid, but it was a strange Phil Ivey type moment just the time he took the betting patterns i just put him on 33/44. after i folded he turned over 33. But in general this is to passive i mean i must admit i do shut down alot with un-coordinated boards and villans just flat calling my bets.

Bukem_ · #6 07-01-2006, 05:17 AM

Cr that turn would be horrible.

avfletch · #7 07-01-2006, 05:18 AM

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dont like C/R on the turn i can see leading then folding to a re-raise as villan was pretty solid, but it was a strange Phil Ivey type moment just the time he took the betting patterns i just put him on 33/44. after i folded he turned over 33. But in general this is to passive i mean i must admit i do shut down alot with un-coordinated boards and villans just flat calling my bets.

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Any how many times do you have Phil Ivey moments and curse yourself for making a lay down when you were ahead?

You are playing against villains potential range of hands, not against this one in particular.

Edit to add: I tend to lead this more than c/r it most of the time but a c/r sends a nice message to floating donks.

machine · #8 07-01-2006, 05:39 AM

lol so you are playing every villan the same? you will get ripped up playing like that, against most players i would lead this turn just this was a pretty tight villan(probably tighter than his numbers) so what you doing if you lead this turn 1/2 pot say $9 and villan min raises to $18 or to $27

avfletch · #9 07-01-2006, 06:41 AM

So if you had a magic read that makes this play exactly right why are you posting it?

I'd be surprised if at least TT/JJ aren't played this way even if he is pretty tight.

b0on · #10 07-01-2006, 07:11 AM

Hand 2 - bet/fold turn, 1/2 pot on river