turn plan, 4 flush board (10/20)

[Hobbs.]

flop cold caller is a 17/7/2 over 160 hands. what's a good plan for the rest of the hand (turn and river)?

keep in mind I have a LAGgy image for ring if people are paying attention (might or might not change your answer).

preflop is close, but let's not spend our time talking too much about it (note there was a poster that folded)

Party Poker 10.00/20.00 Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(10 handed)</font> link

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, Hero calls, UTG+2 calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds.

Turn: (6.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

[sharpie]

I think I'd check the turn and calldown if he bets, or bet the river if he checks behind.

[Haupt_234]

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I think I'd check the turn and calldown if he bets, or bet the river if he checks behind.

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Assuming we won't get bluff checkraised (which might not be the case since hero has a laggy image), I think betting the turn and checking through the river if called is a better play rather than checking the turn and calling a river bet.

A turn bet might put the middle player in a difficult spot and any one of them might laydown a slightly better diamond, which would surely see a showdown if the turn was checked through.

If hero is bet into, though, I would fold.

Haupt_234

[sharpie]

Haupt, we're OOP.

I don't think a better diamond is ever folding, but they might check through if we check the turn.

[Haupt_234]

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Haupt, we're OOP.

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In that case, I agree with you about check/calling down.

Haupt_234

[James.]

hmm. how did you come up with a LAGgy image? i just can't figure that out. i kind of think we can b/f the turn with impunity, but i may be wrong(hell, after all we do have the FIFTH nut flush). FWIW, when i played a bunch of SH for a while and came back to fullring i was(am)a bit too loose/aggressive; primarily in position.

edit to say the LAGgy image takes away from the b/f i guess. darn you and your LAGgy image, darn it to heck.

[Warren Harding]

I'd check call the turn, check call the river. The flop cold call often means FD&gt;8. Villian's aggression level means he could raise with a worse hand, so bet-folding is &lt; CCing. Villian may take a stab on the turn if we check, and, a lot of hands we beat UTG might have will not look us up, so I'd rather not lead.

[GrahamW]

I think it's C/F from this point out. UTG+2 calling the flop is bad news, especially seeing that diamond come out.

[ncboiler]

I'm checking and calling down. By checking he may take a stab at it if he doesn't have a [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] so basically you are inducing a bluff. If you bet and he has a better diamond he is going to reraise you and and then that gives you the decision of folding (is he bluffing or does he have a better [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]?).

[Jake (The Snake)]

UTG+2 coldcalled the flop with something. If you check and he bets, he won't be bluffing. Sometimes he will have AT type hands or sets, but most of the time you are already behind a flush. (Note that the only hands way he could have a worse flush is if he flopped it because offsuit diamonds &lt; 8 aren't calling preflop).

I'm thinking if we are planning to c/c the turn we should c/f the river because AT, set hands probably aren't betting again.