NL100 6max: Me don't like turn

jii · #1 06-28-2006, 02:09 PM

Villain 55/12/2 after 75 hands. He's post-flop hasn't exactly convinced me, some donkey bluffs, etc.

I was prepared to check the turn to induce bluff from him, but the mf leads the turn. How to proceed?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $84.65
CO: $108.35
Button: $94.80
SB: $129.90
Hero: $124.50

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG calls, CO folds, Button calls, SB calls, Hero checks.

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($4, 4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3, 2 folds, SB calls.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($10, 2 players)
SB bets $10, Hero...

tkkjsoup · #2 06-28-2006, 02:18 PM

You are beat by a lot here, but he could be betting a turned flush draw. My guess is that EV(Call and reevaluate on river) is about equal to EV(fold). I usually coldcall this turn but that may be a leak.

los_toros · #3 06-28-2006, 02:23 PM

SB could be floating with 66 on the flop but you should reevaluate on the river. I call this and see what happens next.

EDIT: Raising here is -EV

jii · #4 06-28-2006, 02:27 PM

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EDIT: Raising here is -EV

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I agree with you Mr Toro. Only better hands call my raise.

I'll just post the rest here, since this is the more confusing part.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $84.65
CO: $108.35
Button: $94.80
SB: $129.90
Hero: $124.50

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG calls, CO folds, Button calls, SB calls, Hero checks.

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($4, 4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3, 2 folds, SB calls.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($10, 2 players)
SB bets $10, Hero calls.

River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($30, 2 players)
SB bets $30, Hero...

los_toros · #5 06-28-2006, 02:31 PM

Yeah I guess I find the fold button here because with sustained action like this I don't see what I'm beating that has bet into on the turn and river.

aces_dad · #6 06-28-2006, 02:32 PM

Can you elaborate on the read of 'donkey bluffs'?

Could he be betting worse Kx for value on t/r?

Scuba Chuck · #7 06-28-2006, 02:33 PM

Did he show you 34?

Against a good player, I would guess he has KT-KQ, K6 on the turn (and sometimes better or worse). Against a bad player, they usually are betting their made hand now. That's why I'm thinking 34, 'cos they want to charge you to draw (typical thought process I see on these boards all the time for instance). Against a bad player, particularly a calling station, K6 is also a possibility.

Edit: Against a bad player, if you call turn, I think you should be prepared to call a river bet, so decide then (save some $$). I think the best you're hoping for in this hand is a split or a pure bluff.

jii · #8 06-28-2006, 02:37 PM

He's fired few pure bluff flop+turn double barrels with hands that really have no semi-bluffing value. His turn bet has been 1/2 pot two times in these cases.

los_toros · #9 06-28-2006, 02:37 PM

yeah. results!

jii · #10 06-28-2006, 02:46 PM

Ok, I guess there isn't much to discuss in this hand. Only interesting thing is that has anyone else faced this kind of playing from a total fish?

River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($30, 2 players)
SB bets $30, WeakTightHero folds.
Uncalled bets: $30 returned to SB.

Results:
Final pot: $30
Villain shows KTo

So, the fish outplayed me.