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QQ scare card hits on turn
MP is a very aggressive LAG with a history of outplaying me. The game had not been playing too fast. I considered raising all-in, folding, and calling on the turn after I checked. Suggestions?
Thanks Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font> SB ($550) BB ($2089.50) Hero ($1805) MP ($1960) CO ($5639) Button ($8128.86) Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $10. <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $75</font>, MP calls $75, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls $55. Flop: ($235) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $180</font>, MP calls $180, BB folds. Turn: ($595) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets $415</font>, |
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Re: QQ scare card hits on turn
If he floated you /w an ace, will he be able to release AJ/AQ if you c/r ai here (e.g will he ever release a better hand)? If not, then I definately prefer a call to a c/r ai. As for folding or calling however, I'm not sure.
How often do you think he are slowing down on river if you call? If he does shut down a lot, a c/c and c/f river looks fine (unless you improve), whereas if he often fires the second barell (with air or something like a lone Kd) I think you have to c/c and c/c river quite bit given his aggressiveness. I'd definately fold as well some of the time, all depending on what I wrote above. |
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Re: QQ scare card hits on turn
Call the turn bet. Check/fold UI on the river.
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Re: QQ scare card hits on turn
I think if you chk call here, he is going allin on the river.
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Re: QQ scare card hits on turn
calling here is the worst play as far as i can see.
i would raise all in if he has been calling your flop bets often in position. he can give you credit for a hand like AxQd or AxKd. |
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Re: QQ scare card hits on turn
i am folding here..
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Re: QQ scare card hits on turn
How about leading for $450 and folding to raise or c/f river if called.
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Re: QQ scare card hits on turn
Buddy, a very important question to answer to determine the correct course of action is how your opponent would play if he flopped a flush draw. Would he raise your bet or would he just call? If he would usually raise on the draw, I think your best play is to reraise him all-in. Because if he doesn't have a flush, what hand can he have that has an ace in it - that could have called your flop bet? And it sounds like this opponent is capable of using the ace to blow you off a hand, especially when you checked to him. Finally, a check-raise push on that turn card looks tremendously strong, and you might even get him to fold a number of stronger hands.
On the other hand, if a flush draw is a major percentage of hands that he can have after he called that flop, then you are in a stickier situation. I think that I might prefer a call over anything if that was the case. But if your opponent is who I think it is, I think reraising all-in is the best play. |
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Re: QQ scare card hits on turn
Buddy brings up a very valid point! If you opponent is as aggressive as you say he is chances are good that he will reraise you on the flop with a semi bluff with the NUT draw and at least one overcard to the board possible two but what are the chances that he is in there with you with the second best draw on the flop. He has no idea that you are not making a continuation bet with AdKd unless he has Kd. Another thing you must ask your self is what type of hand could he call a raise preflop and then call a raise on the flop with. Most of the time players who will call a raise in early position and then make a call on the flop with a ragged flop such as the one described above are usually calling with a pair of at least 9's. So you must ask your self how likely his he to call a preflop bet with A high. You can say that it is a fesabile play as well as most mid pairs. Next you must ask yourself how likely is he to call on the ragged flop with the bare A in his hand unless he had something like A8,A6 or A4 and you would expect them to be suited. And are those hands even likely to be called by him. How does he view your play. If he views you as a solid rock type player then it is a very marginal call at best preflop. Aggressive players do not want to get involved with tight solid aggressive players. They want to pick on the weak players.
Lets say that he infact did make the call with any of those above mentioned A's. He then hits two pair on the turn. Why would he make a bet that seems designed to push you out of the pot with that big of a hand. You might say that, "well there are now three diamonds out there" while that may be true you have to know what hands he assumes that you were raising UTG with. Most likely a big pair therefore that would negate you ability to hit the flush profitably. He would have made a smaller bet to keep you in knowing that you were drawing very thin to hit your 5th diamond if infact you did have a diamond. 6 handed 16 cards are already out 35 unseen cards you have 7 or 9 outs-depending on if he already has the flush or just has something like two pair or trips round- to 36 so you are 5 to 1 against improving to the higher diamond draw and slighly less than 4 to 1 if he has trips or two pair. A smaller bet of half the post would suffice giving you 3 to 1 on your money to hit a 5 to 1 or a 4 to 1 draw in order to try and keep you involved in a hand that you were supposedly drawing very thin or dead. The only other possbility is a set of say 6's or 8's. That would explain the call preflop and then the call on the flop and then the raise when you check the turn. But once again as stated above if he infact did have a MONSTER hand a smaller bet would have sufficed. And lastly you must ask yourself how likely is he to be drawing to the second best flush? That I cant answer for you but in most cases at this level and higher it is possible but not always done especailly if you have the Ad and a diamond hits the turn he has to be worried about your re draws. All in all a tough situation but I feel that with this information and the ability to think through what your opponent's bets mean you would have come to the proper conclusion. Unfortunately, playing online does not afford you the necessary time to properly think through the proper sequence and therefore aggressive players are more ept at getting away with this type of play. Trust me this play would not succeed live as much as it does online. Hope that I have helped! Good luck! |
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