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Old 06-26-2006, 01:27 PM
Pokey Pokey is offline
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Default Most valuable notes?

I used to be good at making notes. I'd open up a scratch pad on each player at the table, and anytime I saw anything, I'd jot it down. Lately, I've swung pretty far in the other direction, commenting on almost nothing.

I think both approaches are a mistake.

It seems to me that the best way to take notes at the table is the following:

1. Create a list of extremely +EV notes to have on players.
2. Make those notations whenever you see them, but ignore just about everything else.

The goal here is to have fewer notes to deal with, but high quality notes when you have them.

So, that's my goal, but before I get started, I was hoping to solicit advice on the most +EV notes you can have on a player.

Which notes are the most +EV for you? (This can be because they are incredibly profitable on the rare occasions when you use them, or because they provide you with a small profit extremely often.)

What sorts of table actions trigger you to make those notes?

How do you exploit the mistakes in those notes?

Thanks for the help. I'll start with my own preliminary short list:

"Falls in love with TPTK"
When I see someone going to town with TPTK, especially if it's all-in, more than once, or against a good player, I know I need to make two adjustments:
- Bluff less
- Value bet two pair or better VERY hard

"Minbets are weak"
This note is a terrific opportunity to sort value bets from bluffs. If villain makes a tiny bet, I can punish with a float, a bluff-raise, or a slowplay, and I can do it with confidence.

"Positionally unaware"
This warns me not to treat LP bets as light, and can save quite a bit of money in blind defense situations.

"Likes to test preflop raises"
A class of player enjoys calling preflop raises OOP and then leading any flop. These players are so exploitable it's beautiful: you should frequently bluff-raise with air and slowplay with any made hand.

"Overvalues draws"
Make those flop and turn bets larger, but be afraid of scare cards on the river: there's no crime in check/folding when the obvious draw hits against this player.

"Defends blinds excessively"
Steal less often, but steal harder: bigger flop bets, second barrels, that sort of thing.
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Old 06-26-2006, 01:32 PM
los_toros los_toros is offline
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Default Re: Most valuable notes?

i like to note how opponents play particularly big hands ... sets, top 2, etc.

it's fairly easy to pickup on how passive player is from PAHUD and generally eyeballing

so basically, things I cannot pinpoint from betting patterns, I write down notes for.
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Old 06-26-2006, 01:34 PM
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Default Re: Most valuable notes?

"Folds to cbets"
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Old 06-26-2006, 01:35 PM
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Default Re: Most valuable notes?

I hate it when people make posts about notes, because it reminds me that I rarely take notes on players. I was sitting with a guy yesterday, I noticed I had 893 hands on him. I didn't recognize the name and had no notes on him. [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

"Chases draws to river facing PSB's, including gutshots" is a good note for me.
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Old 06-26-2006, 01:39 PM
Mathemagician Mathemagician is offline
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Default Re: Most valuable notes?

Probably the most valuable one to me that is not on your list is this one:
"Sit on right" vs "Sit on left"

That way I know before I sit down which seat I want vs this particular target. In general, if he is way too loose preflop (e.g. 85/50+), I want to sit on his right.

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Old 06-26-2006, 01:41 PM
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Default Re: Most valuable notes?

minbet=draw
minbet=monster
minbet=2PGK probe bet
minbet=TPTK
will minbet monster all the way to the river

pushes combo draws, slowplays sets <--- Pure Gold
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Old 06-26-2006, 01:41 PM
los_toros los_toros is offline
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[ QUOTE ]
That way I know before I sit down which seat I want vs this particular target. In general, if he is way too loose preflop (e.g. 85/50+), I want to sit on his right.

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Or on his right so you can limp/repop [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] juicy
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Old 06-26-2006, 01:41 PM
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Default Re: Most valuable notes?

- *DO NOT BLUFF*
- Needs second barrel
- Overvalues TPNK
- Overvalues underpairs
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Old 06-26-2006, 01:42 PM
poincaraux poincaraux is offline
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Default Re: Most valuable notes?

"likes to float"
"slowplays sets even on scary boards"
"minraises AA,KK pre"
"limps AA,KK pre"
"overplays medium pairs pre"
"cannot fold overpairs for < pot bets on any street"
"better than me. stop hosing around."
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Old 06-26-2006, 01:43 PM
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Default Re: Most valuable notes?

Will bluffraise the flop but give up on the turn.

Will float in position.

Call my PFR from BB in SB after just completing the blind w/ T6o.

Those are pretty good ones.
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