Preflop, whatever.

goofball · #1 06-26-2006, 07:29 AM

You're in a live 30 or 60 game, folded to you in the CO.

Would you rather be open raising with 22 or 97s and why and on what does it depend?

rigoletto · #2 06-26-2006, 09:15 AM

22 if I figure on getting it HU.

97s if not (but then I would would probably fold anyway).

Kyle · #3 06-26-2006, 09:38 AM

22 unless blinds or button is super-loose

stoxtrader · #4 06-26-2006, 10:07 AM

I'm not sure it matters which is better, a more pertinent question is individually examinnig if they are +EV, in any event that is how I would approach it, and as a default, raise em up!

Tommy Angelo · #5 06-26-2006, 11:46 AM

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You're in a live 30 or 60 game, folded to you in the CO.

Would you rather be open raising with 22 or 97s

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22

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and why

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Because I can already beat a bluff.

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and on what does it depend?

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It doesn't.

Tommy

mike l. · #6 06-26-2006, 04:49 PM

97s can take some heat if someone plays back at you. 22 gets scared too easily if anyone even coughs in your direction.

DeathDonkey · #7 06-26-2006, 09:09 PM

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97s can take some heat if someone plays back at you. 22 gets scared too easily if anyone even coughs in your direction.

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This is what I said to goofball and believe as well.

-DeathDonkey

Kaneloc · #8 06-27-2006, 05:09 PM

I would much rather have the 22 for a couple reasons. If you get called you are most likely beat with the 9/7. Suited means nothing heads up. At showdown you cannot win with nine high. Dueces takes the pot if your opponent doesnt improve. I will jack it up with either of them when opening from the cutoff but i would much rather have a small pair than two medium cards.

elindauer · #9 06-27-2006, 05:13 PM

In my opinion Tommy has this exactly right. Being able to win a showdown unimproved is a huge advantage in shorthanded pots, especially when you have position and may well have an option to check behind someplace.

I don't think it's particularly close either. Off the top of my head, I'd say 22 equals, maybe, A7. A7 is a little better in that when behind, you have more outs, but 22 can beat dominating big aces unimproved, a major edge.

-Eric

Justin A · #10 06-27-2006, 06:27 PM

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I would much rather have the 22 for a couple reasons. If you get called you are most likely beat with the 9/7. Suited means nothing heads up. At showdown you cannot win with nine high. Dueces takes the pot if your opponent doesnt improve. I will jack it up with either of them when opening from the cutoff but i would much rather have a small pair than two medium cards.

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The extra 5% or so that you win the pot because of your suitedness is definitely more than nothing.