Super Tuesday hand - AKs

AlmightyJay · #1 01-17-2006, 10:55 PM

Not sure on my play in this hand. Villain is very fishy and could be making this move with a wide variety of hands. This is the first significant hand I've played. Preflop is standard, but should I check behind on this flop, or is a c-bet okay? I felt he was loose enough that he's folding here a lot. What do you do when he pushes, getting around 2.5:1?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (10 handed) converter

UTG+1 (t1225)
UTG+2 (t785)
Hero (t990)
MP2 (t610)
MP3 (t1795)
CO (t1155)
Button (t1035)
SB (t1130)
BB (t2080)
UTG (t455)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls t20, 2 folds, Hero raises to t90, 6 folds, UTG calls t70.

Flop: (t210) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets t120, UTG goes all-in for 365, Hero...

#2 01-17-2006, 11:02 PM

You need to bet with a plan on that flop. I am assuming you bet a small amount so you can fold if Villain RRed you all-in. Otherwise, you should have simply moved in on that flop yourself.

Ansky · #3 01-17-2006, 11:03 PM

You really need to show more regard to stack sizes with your bets. Either check behind or bet bigger on the flop, so you are showing your comittment to the pot, and you won't get pushed off. I'd probably check this flop because I don't expect a pair to fold.

AlmightyJay · #4 01-17-2006, 11:05 PM

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You need to bet with a plan on that flop. I am assuming you bet a small amount so you can fold if Villain RRed you all-in. Otherwise, you should have simply moved in on that flop yourself.

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Bet 900 into a 210 pot?

#5 01-17-2006, 11:07 PM

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You need to bet with a plan on that flop. I am assuming you bet a small amount so you can fold if Villain RRed you all-in. Otherwise, you should have simply moved in on that flop yourself.

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Bet 900 into a 210 pot?

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Am I reading this wrong? Your opponent only has 365 left on the flop.

AlmightyJay · #6 01-17-2006, 11:08 PM

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You really need to show more regard to stack sizes with your bets. Either check behind or bet bigger on the flop, so you are showing your comittment to the pot, and you won't get pushed off. I'd probably check this flop because I don't expect a pair to fold.

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FWIW, there's no way this player is noting how much I'm betting and deciding if I'm commited based on that.

My thinking after the hand was I should have either checked behind or bet smaller on the flop, to make it easier to get away from a push. He had 360 behind, so I bet 1/3 of his stack. He's pushing here 100% of the time if he wants to see showdown. If I bet, say, 90ish, I can much more easily fold to a push. Is that a better plan against a non-thinking opponent?

Ansky · #7 01-17-2006, 11:08 PM

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You need to bet with a plan on that flop. I am assuming you bet a small amount so you can fold if Villain RRed you all-in. Otherwise, you should have simply moved in on that flop yourself.

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Bet 900 into a 210 pot?

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no. thats not what he said.

uclabruinz · #8 01-17-2006, 11:16 PM

Did you try to put him on a hand? It seems like you are not taking into account what he might have. Pre-flop limp/call almost certainly means pair. C/b isn't pushing this guy anywhere, whether it's a push or 1/2 pot or whatever. This is one of those rare circumstances where I would check behind head's up post-flop with these cards.

stevepa · #9 01-17-2006, 11:17 PM

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You really need to show more regard to stack sizes with your bets. Either check behind or bet bigger on the flop, so you are showing your comittment to the pot, and you won't get pushed off. I'd probably check this flop because I don't expect a pair to fold.

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meh, I think I disagree pretty strongly here. A bigger bet commits you to call and shows him that your not folding. i.e. he only puts his money in when you're beat (or has a big draw). Betting 120 and calling the push is clearly better than betting more isn't it? He may not bluff push often, but as long as he occasionally does, this play is better.

Note: I'm not saying betting 120 and calling a push is better than checking. I think that's pretty close. But betting 120 and calling a push is clearly better than putting him in or betting 200 or something.

edit: the above assumes he never folds any pair. Against most party players in this spot, I like this assumption.

Steve

AlmightyJay · #10 01-17-2006, 11:17 PM

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You need to bet with a plan on that flop. I am assuming you bet a small amount so you can fold if Villain RRed you all-in. Otherwise, you should have simply moved in on that flop yourself.

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Bet 900 into a 210 pot?

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Am I reading this wrong? Your opponent only has 365 left on the flop.

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Ok I see what you mean. Yeah, that makes a lot more sense than my bet.

I eventually called. I was getting 2.5:1, knew that villain might be doing this assuming (correctly) that I'm on UI overcards and thinking I might fold, and thought that those odds were good enough. He flipped over 55 and turned a set.