Squueze???

[rppkoz]

UB $33

Blinds: 300/600/75
Relavant Stacks:
Button: 6000
SB: 12000
BB (Hero): 15000

I wasn't involved in the hand, but I know both the SB and BB well. They are both very good players, well known on UB. The SB is a TAG, but capable of making moves. The BB is a LAG.

Action folds to the button.

Button raises to 1800.
SB reraises to 4000

Hero has A4o, hero?????

[rockin]

Your not deep enough for a squeeze.

[rppkoz]

Please explain. I think SB makes this play with a lot of hands and will fold unless he has TT+ or AK. I think Button almost never calls here, or he would have pushed in the 1st place.

[rockin]

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Please explain. I think SB makes this play with a lot of hands and will fold unless he has TT+ or AK. I think Button almost never calls here, or he would have pushed in the 1st place.

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First, BB is LAG, so he will not get credit for having a quality hand all that often.

Second, he said SB was TAG, but "capable" of making a move. "Capable" does not necessarily translate into "is".

Third, the pot odds will be somewhat decent for a TAG "thinking" player to call here, because your stack is not very deep.

[rppkoz]

So, if BB pushes, Button folds, and you're SB, what range do you put BB on and what types of hands do you call with?

[rockin]

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So, if BB pushes, Button folds, and you're SB, what range do you put BB on and what types of hands do you call with?

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Against a LAG BB player? Probably whatever I raised with in the first place UNLESS this was one of the few times that I was "capable" of making a move and just simply raised with air.

SB was TAG, but capable of making moves. Unless SB was originally making a move, he would most likely be calling against a LAG's range, since LAG's range would be very wide in BSB confrontation.

[rppkoz]

Would you call with a hand like KQ?

[rockin]

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Would you call with a hand like KQ?

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8k into a pot of 18k with KQ?

4,130,077,248 games 9.211 secs 448,385,327 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 51.2286 % 48.37% 02.85% { 22+, ATs+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, ATo+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }
Hand 2: 48.7714 % 45.92% 02.85% { KQo }


If you were getting only 1:1,this would be a marginal fold. You are actually getting better than 2:1, so this makes this an easy overwhelming call. You can tighten BB's range by eliminating some of the lesser broadway hands and you will still be getting odds to call since the pot is offering 2:1.


This is why this is a bad squeeze play (because of the stack sizes and the pot odds).


BTW, (since hero had A4o), if you add any Ax to the mix, it only slightly decreases your odds, so it's still an easy call.

6,760,176,192 games 16.065 secs 420,801,505 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 54.0004 % 52.17% 01.84% { 22+, A2s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, A2o+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }
Hand 2: 45.9996 % 44.16% 01.84% { KQo }

[rppkoz]

I agree totally. I think the beauty of being a LAG (when you're good at it) is it's hard for players, especially tight players to call a bet for all their chips without a monster. In this particular case, the SB had AQo and laid it down. His thinking was, the BB made the 3rd raise. He ignored the math and folded based on his read.

[rockin]

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He ignored the math and folded based on his read.

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Not really a read against a LAG. Anyway, this above seems to contradict this below.

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They are both very good players, well known on UB.

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