A high value bet?

obsidian · #1 06-16-2006, 01:51 AM

Villain is loose passive. Probably around 40/8 if I remember right.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises, MP 3-bets, 4 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (7.40 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets, Hero raises, MP calls.

Turn: (5.70 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP calls.

River: (7.70 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets

Usylesses · #2 06-16-2006, 02:10 AM

I cap the preflop then bet the flop and fold to a raise which unless he's tricky means something.
Your way all you've got is a bet and a call which doesn't really tell you anything. That said he's called a raise on the flop and a bet on the turn. I think you're looking at 99 or better.
Again, i think a bet on the flop gets you more information here than a checkraise which is going to leave a lot of better hands calling down.

gtrunner57 · #3 06-16-2006, 02:43 AM

I don't think this is much of a value bet, because there's not many hands that such a passive player is going to instantly 3-bet preflop that AK is going to beat unimproved.

I think the preflop call is pretty good, but I would bet the flop for the same reasons as Usylesses.

TheHip41 · #4 06-16-2006, 02:44 AM

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I cap the preflop then bet the flop and fold to a raise which unless he's tricky means something.
Your way all you've got is a bet and a call which doesn't really tell you anything. That said he's called a raise on the flop and a bet on the turn. I think you're looking at 99 or better.
Again, i think a bet on the flop gets you more information here than a checkraise which is going to leave a lot of better hands calling down.

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against this guy, i'm check calling the flop and c/f the turn 8PF is pretty small. He's going to have AQs+ and TT+ alot here.

If he can bet that turn, you aren't winning.

As played, if you bet this river, it's for value, it's just not "your" value.

I'd check/fold the river against this guy. Its over.

PotLuckPete · #5 06-16-2006, 02:52 AM

You're being 3 bet by a passive player, this flop couldn't get much worse.

Flop: Bet, if raised, call
Turn: If UI, check/fold

TheHip41 · #6 06-16-2006, 03:01 AM

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You're being 3 bet by a passive player, this flop couldn't get much worse.

Flop: Bet, if raised, call
Turn: If UI, check/fold

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Why are you betting this flop? You are ahead of basically nothing.

PotLuckPete · #7 06-16-2006, 03:15 AM

I slightly misread the opening post. I assumed we capped preflop.

I'd cap preflop, and lead right into him on the flop. I think we're getting a few big aces to drop in this situation. I get absolutely no information from check/call.. so I'm leading.

obsidian · #8 06-16-2006, 05:04 AM

I guess I just need to find out if he has a pair or big cards. I figured he might pop me back with an overpair but against a passive player I could be wrong. Especially with something like 99-QQ. I think donking the flop would be the best way to figure this out. I'm not sure I like the c/c, c/c, c/f because even passive players have a tendency to keep the bet button down with a hand I beat here.