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Old 12-31-2005, 05:47 AM
Patrick Bateman Patrick Bateman is offline
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Default KQo yuck!

I suspect this one is misplayed on every street, but am not sure. A friend of mine (who plays NL only btw) was watching at the time and said "that are some strange calls you are making there", hence I am making this post.

10 handed $2-$4 game. No particular reads at the time other than that the table texture is loose and on the passive side.

I get KhQc UTG+1. UTG limps, I raise and only the BB and UTG call.

Flop 894 2 hearts. Check, check, I bet, BB raises, UTG folds, I call

Turn Td Bet call

River As Bet fold

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Old 12-31-2005, 05:54 AM
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Default Re: KQo yuck!

9 to 1 on flop call with two overs and position verse a c/r that can mean anything (both made hands and draw c/r are very possible here)...I'm calling

6 to 1 on turn with tainted overs and inside straight to nuts...I'm calling here too

Villian bet scary river card...you went UI...fold

this looks standard to me and is probably the way I'd play it
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Old 12-31-2005, 06:05 AM
Niediam Niediam is offline
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Default Re: KQo yuck!

I usually limp preflop (however a lot of 2+2ers swear by raising) but otherwise it looks standard to me.
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Old 12-31-2005, 10:13 AM
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Default Re: KQo yuck!

i think the turn is a call; how often are you behind to two pair or reverse domination(K9, Q9)? when you pickup the gutshot you improve just enough to continue IMO. i know the river is a fold. i don't think it is misplayed.
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Old 12-31-2005, 10:15 AM
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Default Re: KQo yuck!

It seems all right to me.
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Old 12-31-2005, 11:08 AM
Los Feliz Slim Los Feliz Slim is offline
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Default Re: KQo yuck!

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I usually limp preflop (however a lot of 2+2ers swear by raising) but otherwise it looks standard to me.

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Raising KQo UTG+1 with a limper is standard? I guess it's better than limping, but depending on the game I'm folding here a good deal of the time.
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Old 12-31-2005, 11:30 AM
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Default Re: KQo yuck!

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i think the turn is a call; how often are you behind to two pair or reverse domination(K9, Q9)? when you pickup the gutshot you improve just enough to continue IMO. i know the river is a fold. i don't think it is misplayed.

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He's also behind to a flopped set, and his K and Q outs won't help him there either. On the turn, how many outs are you giving him? I think it's dicey to consider much more than two outs total for his K and Q. With the gutshot, that makes it 6 outs, which makes it a fold. Am I being too stingy with my outs here?
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Old 12-31-2005, 12:26 PM
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Default Re: KQo yuck!

i was not explicitly stating all of the hands to which he was behind. obviously sets are possible. i included the implied odds on the river, FWIW. i had six outs as well. i could be wrong.
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Old 12-31-2005, 01:21 PM
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Default i think raise

I would raise here almost every time. Exception might be if UTG was VERy tight and VERY passive. Then I might fold. I would NEVER call in this situation
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Old 12-31-2005, 01:27 PM
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Default what am i missing?

With 6 outs and 6 Big bets on the table, wouldn't the implied odds of at least one more bet give you enough to have a small + EV here?
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