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06-14-2006, 07:19 PM
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If position is a weapon, here\'s my whiffle ball bat (JJ pot control)
Villian is 43/14/0.7
He open'ed utg+1 k7s called reraise, and slow plays his flush. Just wanted to make sure this is a turn check And a turbo call on the river, i suppose. Just making sure. Is this a good example of pot control? Should I be betting the turn as well? Full Tilt Poker No Limit Holdem Ring game Blinds: $0.10/$0.25 6 players Converter Stack sizes: UTG: $60.10 UTG+1: $43.55 Hero: $24.30 Button: $24.65 SB: $26.80 BB: $20.30 Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $1.25</font>, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls. Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($2.85, 2 players) UTG+1 checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $2.85</font>, UTG+1 calls. Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($8.55, 2 players) UTG+1 checks, Hero checks. River: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($8.55, 2 players) <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 bets $8.55</font>, Hero calls. Results: Final pot: $25.65 
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#2
06-14-2006, 07:23 PM
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Re: If position is a weapon, here\'s my whiffle ball bat (JJ pot control)
This seems like the kind of villain who will call the turn with any ten. If so, we need to bet. If not, your play is fine because it induced him to bet on the river.
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#3
06-14-2006, 07:25 PM
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Re: If position is a weapon, here\'s my whiffle ball bat (JJ pot control)
Bet the turn! 2/3 pot. You're letting him draw to a bigger broadway card for free.
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#5
06-14-2006, 07:46 PM
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Re: If position is a weapon, here\'s my whiffle ball bat (JJ pot contro
Heine, if you don't want to play JJ for your stack this is fine.
"any reason for not betting the turn? I dont see one " op, was nice enough to point out a reason: pot control.
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#6
06-14-2006, 08:06 PM
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Re: If position is a weapon, here\'s my whiffle ball bat (JJ pot control)
Why are you trying to control the size of the pot? You are ahead with a good chance of being a big favorite.
Bet the pot on the turn to protect against spade and overcard draws.
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#7
06-14-2006, 08:35 PM
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Re: If position is a weapon, here\'s my whiffle ball bat (JJ pot contro
I usually bet the turn and check the river, instead of check the turn and bet/call the river. Any T, Q, K, or A is not pretty. Unless villain is super bluff happy. But on this board, even a bluffer can't have too wide of a range since he CALLED your flop bet OOP.
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#8
06-14-2006, 08:41 PM
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Re: If position is a weapon, here\'s my whiffle ball bat (JJ pot contro
[ QUOTE ]
I usually bet the turn and check the river, instead of check the turn and bet/call the river. Any T, Q, K, or A is not pretty. Unless villain is super bluff happy. But on this board, even a bluffer can't have too wide of a range since he CALLED your flop bet OOP. [/ QUOTE ] Isura, I'm going to disagree with your line. Betting the turn doesn't really control the pot size, it's more of a bet for protection and I really don't think we're too interested in protecting our hand here. Sure A,K,Q,T are not that good on the river but villain is only drawing to 5 or 6 outs if we're ahead. PS: I don't mind playing for stacks with JJ against this guy, I'm just discussing a line that assumes we want to control the pot size.
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#9
06-14-2006, 08:46 PM
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Re: If position is a weapon, here\'s my whiffle ball bat (JJ pot contro
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] I usually bet the turn and check the river, instead of check the turn and bet/call the river. Any T, Q, K, or A is not pretty. Unless villain is super bluff happy. But on this board, even a bluffer can't have too wide of a range since he CALLED your flop bet OOP. [/ QUOTE ] Isura, I'm going to disagree with your line. Betting the turn doesn't really control the pot size, it's more of a bet for protection and I really don't think we're too interested in protecting our hand here. Sure A,K,Q,T are not that good on the river but villain is only drawing to 5 or 6 outs if we're ahead. PS: I don't mind playing for stacks with JJ against this guy, I'm just discussing a line that assumes we want to control the pot size. [/ QUOTE ] There is no need for pot control as long as we bet the turn and shutdown (my standard line). Calling the river is the same as betting the turn (and shutting down UI), but we charge 6-outers, get value from all smaller pocket pairs, and we end up playing the same size pot. I'm mostly betting because I get called down all day by Tx, and 44-99 on this board, and these hands will never try to 'float' oop and take it away on the river. Betting also lets opponents know that seeing showdowns against me is not going to be cheap.
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#10
06-14-2006, 08:46 PM
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Re: If position is a weapon, here\'s my whiffle ball bat (JJ pot contro
Change hero's JJ to AA and does a turn check make more sense? His range to me could be any 2 overs, any smaller PP, any T, any 3. The 2 overs makes me not want to check JJ here, but with AA I think I'd want him to see more cards, and probably raise him all-in on most rivers, especially broadway ones.
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