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Old 06-07-2006, 05:05 PM
justfold1 justfold1 is offline
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Default SH Game is REALLY differnt that Full table

Hey,

Just wanted to share my thoughts and see what people think...I play tight but aggresive, and have been playing more SH high stakes limit games, and players that I play regularly on Poker Syndicate are taking advantage of the fact that they know I only play good cards...

so when the flop comes low, they always check raise me...and then I'm in a bind becuase most often I have ak/aq and not a monster....what should I do?
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Old 06-07-2006, 05:15 PM
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Default Re: SH Game is REALLY differnt that Full table

Play more hands preflop, particularly, low suited connectors. Be willing to occasionally 3bet with air if you're getting check-raised a lot.

Alternately, don't play short-handed tables.
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Old 06-07-2006, 05:35 PM
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Default Re: SH Game is REALLY differnt that Full table

you have to play a lot more hands in a SH table
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Old 06-07-2006, 07:09 PM
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you have to play a lot more hands in a SH table

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Why?
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Old 06-07-2006, 07:53 PM
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you have to play a lot more hands in a SH table

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Why?

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If for nothing else, to catch up with the blinds you're paying 66% more often.

Then there's the fact that your opponents are noticing your play more since there are less people to keep track of. Playing more hands gets your real hands paid off more.

Sure, you could play tight, but you're undoubtedly playing more hands and taking them further than in full ring.
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Old 06-07-2006, 09:01 PM
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you have to play a lot more hands in a SH table

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Why?

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If for nothing else, to catch up with the blinds you're paying 66% more often.



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The blinds in SH have more equity than the blinds in a full-ring, so you don't need to play more hands because you post blinds more often.

The blinds are worth more shorthanded, because people have lower raising standards, and so you blind cards are more likely to have more value than in a full-ring.
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Old 06-07-2006, 09:04 PM
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You should mix up your play more. Especially on the smaller sites, you are going to be playing against the same people every day. You need them to be unable to put you on a hand when you raise pre-flop.

You could try raising medium suited connectors from later positions, providing you play well post-flop
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Old 06-07-2006, 10:44 PM
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Default Re: SH Game is REALLY differnt that Full table

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you have to play a lot more hands in a SH table

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Why?

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If for nothing else, to catch up with the blinds you're paying 66% more often.



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The blinds in SH have more equity than the blinds in a full-ring, so you don't need to play more hands because you post blinds more often.

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Ed Miller argues this as well. The following is my interpretation, so if it is incorrect, I would appreciate a correction:

The increased equity exactly balances the extra cost of the blinds.

If all players have equal skill, the blinds are just being passed around amoung the players at the table. With players of unequal skill, the average player still gets his blinds back. So blind equity= blind amount/number of players.

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The blinds are worth more shorthanded, because people have lower raising standards, and so you blind cards are more likely to have more value than in a full-ring.

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I think the increased blind equity is simply due to the fact that there are fewer players.

If your opponents are raising too many hands, this increases the equity of all of your hands, not just your blinds. This is because your opponents are giving up some equity with poor play.

If your opponents believe they have to play more hands, that is good for you because more of your hands will be profitable. So you should play more hands. But the reason is that your opponents are too loose, not that the blinds cost more.
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Old 06-07-2006, 11:36 PM
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Default Re: SH Game is REALLY differnt that Full table

Don't start playing trash hands like 56s just because you're afraid of a checkraise on a rag board. When you play garbage you're just playing into your loose-aggressive opponents hands. Now when they call you down with bottom pair or 3 bet you with QTs they are making the correct play. Keep up with you tight/aggressive game. Its ok to call down with AK, AQ, and even A9 high or worse if your opponents are getting out of line. You usually have odds to call a flop bet if your opponents have a pair anyway, and calling a turn bet is usually only a small mistake. Then by the time you get to the river you're getting 5 or 6 to 1, so a call there isn't so bad.
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Old 06-07-2006, 11:57 PM
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so when the flop comes low, they always check raise me...and then I'm in a bind becuase most often I have ak/aq and not a monster....what should I do?

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Sometimes check behind on the flop.
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