NL600 6max QQ overpair

[Reef]

Villian is 28/8. About 1.5 AF flop/turn and 2.0 AF river after 250 hands. I suspect he's been running hot. Went to showdown 31% and won 58%. We had not really gotten into any big battles.

Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: A
Seat 2: B
Seat 3: C (sitting out)
Seat 4: D
Seat 5: Villian ( $600)
Seat 6: Hero ( $606.40) *button
A posts small blind (3)
B posts big blind (6)
Villian posts big blind (6) he just came into the game
** Dealing down cards **

Dealt to Hero [ Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ]

D folds.
Villian raises (16) to 22
Hero raises (70) to 70
A folds.
B folds.
Villian calls (48)

** Dealing Flop ** : [ 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ] pot ~145
Villian checks.
Hero bets (100)
Villian calls (100)

** Dealing Turn ** : [ 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ] pot ~345
Villian checks.
Hero checks.

** Dealing River ** : [ T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ] pot ~345
Villian bets (300)
Hero ?

[Herrigel]

When we check this turn, we have to call the river, no?

[Reef]

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When we check this turn, we have to call the river, no?

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you never HAVE to call ANY hand (except the nuts obviously). I lose to 55-TT, QQ-AA, any 2 pair (stuff like 89s), the backdoor flush. I beat JJ, a bluff/missed flush, single pair hands (like A9s, KTs - though I'm thinking he folds pf). To call I have to be right just a little under 1/3 of the time.

Wondering what people think

[Herrigel]

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When we check this turn, we have to call the river, no?

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you never HAVE to call ANY hand...

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You give a simplified read, I give my simplified thought.

To quote Sklansky in ToP, Chapter 20 "Inducing and stopping bluffs", page 192:
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If you are trying to induce a bluff and that player bets, then you MUST call. This principle is obvious, yet many go against it.

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Your turn check WILL induce a bluff frequently, from many players (you have played him, so only you can judge).
I see enough possible holdings, to make a river call profitable, IF villain is the type of player who will bluff a missed draw or weak pair often enough.

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you never HAVE to call ANY hand (except the nuts obviously).

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Sorry, but this is sooo wrong...

[mayday4379]

This is why I hate checking the turn in position. Villain could easily have been waiting for a C/R allin on turn or could have AK or missed pocket pair. I bet $150 on turn and check behind on river.

If villain raises turn or calls turn and leads on river, we're pretty sure we're beat.

I THINK I FOLD

[vanHelsing]

If opponent is predictable, I bet the turn.
If he is tricky, I check the turn behind, but I am prepared to call any reasonable bet on the river.

[fresherthanflynt]

I agree here if you check this turn it's to call a reasonable bet on the river - I think betting out the turn here is the best line IMO - you're giving him a free shot at it.

~ If you take the check route, I think you're probably beat vs his range if hes NOT bluff - very read dependant here.

[Reef]

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you never HAVE to call ANY hand (except the nuts obviously).

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Sorry, but this is sooo wrong...

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don't be a nit


anyway, Hero folded..

[JKratzer]

as played fold river. i would prefer betting turn though.