Cold call two with A8s Preflop OTB?

TomBrooks · #1 06-05-2006, 06:08 PM

38/16 Opens from MP. A poster in the CO calls. Would you cold call with A8s otb?

ouyangl · #2 06-05-2006, 06:18 PM

oops, i just thought about it some more and i vote fold now, my b.

I think possibly if SB and BB come in for the ride it'd be worth it.
But 10.94% of the time flush draw will come, 2.02% twopair, 0.67% trip 8s, and 0.84% flop a flush. Total (14.47%)

Not enough equity to call when we're only getting 2.75:1. If SB and BB come along, that'll be 4:1, and maybe thats enough equity to justify calling because of implied odds.

So I think SB and BB have to be loose and the players have to be passive.

True · #3 06-05-2006, 07:49 PM

all day

True

purnell · #4 06-05-2006, 07:58 PM

It depends on the blinds. If they are likely to call, then you can play this, but if they are tight, there's not enough money there to make it worthwhile.

edit: you also have to be able to let this go often when an ace flops, you don't have a draw, and you encounter aggression from your opponents.

milesdyson · #5 06-05-2006, 08:14 PM

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Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB was loose/passive, CO is huge LAG typically overplaying weak hands and slowplaying strong hands, MP seemed pretty loose but he had only sat down a few orbits ago.

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, MP raises, CO calls, Hero calls, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP bets, CO calls, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG folds, MP calls, CO calls.

Turn: (9.25 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, MP checks, CO checks, Hero bets, BB calls, MP calls, CO raises, Hero calls, BB calls, MP calls.

River: (17.25 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, MP checks, CO bets, Hero calls, BB calls, MP folds.

Final Pot: 20.25 BB

Thoughts??

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grabbed this from a thread on the second page.

Scary_Tiger · #6 06-05-2006, 09:00 PM

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Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB was loose/passive, CO is huge LAG typically overplaying weak hands and slowplaying strong hands, MP seemed pretty loose but he had only sat down a few orbits ago.

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, MP raises, CO calls, Hero calls, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP bets, CO calls, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG folds, MP calls, CO calls.

Turn: (9.25 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, MP checks, CO checks, Hero bets, BB calls, MP calls, CO raises, Hero calls, BB calls, MP calls.

River: (17.25 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, MP checks, CO bets, Hero calls, BB calls, MP folds.

Final Pot: 20.25 BB

Thoughts??

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grabbed this from a thread on the second page.

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So was the question if he butchered two streets or three? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Edit: Just noticed the part that CO posted prepreflop. This moves it from a fold to call for me.

TomBrooks · #7 06-05-2006, 10:29 PM

I just happened to come across this hand and it made me a little curious. I almost always fold A8s to a raise and almost always re-raise A9s (with position, in the blinds I'll usually call.) Of course seeing this flop made the hand look attractive so I thought I would seek some other hopefully unbiased opinions. I don't remember this hand or my reads on the other players. I just picked it out while I was reviewing some stuff.

Party Poker ($2/$4 limit). Hand converted by Check Raised hand converter

Preflop (6 players): Hero is BTN with 8

A

1 fold. MP 3 bets. CO calls [5.5:1]. 1 fold. SB calls [4.67:1]. BB calls [8:1].

Flop (8 small bets ($16) in pot, 4 players): 3

K

A

SB checks. BB checks. MP bets. CO calls [10:1]. SB calls [11:1]. BB folds [11:1].

Turn (5.5 bets ($22) in pot, 3 players): 3

K

A

6

SB checks. MP bets. CO calls [7.5:1]. SB folds [7.5:1].

River (7.5 bets ($30) in pot, 2 players): 3

K

A

6

4

MP checks. CO bets. MP folds [8.5:1].
Summary: 3

K

A

6

4

CO doesn't show and won $32.50 (8.13bb)

The odds of making a flush by the river with any two suited cards are 15:1. Most pots don't reach 15BB so the Ace has to be good sometimes also. 15:1 is a lot of ground to make up.

Ainex · #8 06-05-2006, 10:45 PM

If CO calls how is this still a cold call?

sharpie · #9 06-05-2006, 10:55 PM

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If CO calls how is this still a cold call?

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Because we're calling 2 bets cold...

Scary_Tiger · #10 06-05-2006, 10:56 PM

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If CO calls how is this still a cold call?

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Because we haven't invested anything in the pot prior to our calling of two bets?