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Old 06-05-2006, 08:15 AM
jii jii is offline
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Default NL100: Big draw, lots of issues...

What would be your line in the following hand? I think that there are few things that make me wonder whether pushing is the right option? I'm also interested in things that in general make you not play your big draws(I consider nut FD + gutshot one) aggressively.


Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $53.65
UTG+1: $35.50
CO: $124.50
Hero: $97.50
SB: $86.25
BB: $37.40

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to $3</font>, CO calls, Hero calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($18, 6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 bets $12</font>, CO calls, Hero does what?
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Old 06-05-2006, 08:23 AM
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Default Re: NL100: Big draw, lots of issues...

I'd just call.
This hand is just too crowded to pull a move like that.
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Old 06-05-2006, 08:25 AM
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Default Re: NL100: Big draw, lots of issues...

I'd raise here, chances are that the UTG player is just c-betting, although the Co called probably tells us he has a hand, i'm still raising this to chase out the others
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Old 06-05-2006, 09:07 AM
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Default Re: NL100: Big draw, lots of issues...

OP,

I don't think UTG+1 would CB into 5 opponents, so I make his range {JJ-AA, Jx, KdXd). UTG+1 only has $20 back so theres no way he is folding if he has a jack or an overpair here.


jedefoe,

why would you want to chase out the others (assuming you cannot get UTG+1 to fold) when you are drawing to the nuts? CO or UTG+1 could even have a diamond draw as well as Hero.
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Old 06-05-2006, 09:54 AM
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Default Re: NL100: Big draw, lots of issues...

I would just call. You have a big draw, two people have already shown interest in the hand and you have the button. Even if UTG+1 goes ai on a blank turn, you have odds to draw so long as CO doesnt complicate things by raising.
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Old 06-05-2006, 10:00 AM
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Default Re: NL100: Big draw, lots of issues...

Call, you have a big draw and good odds with CO calling also. No need to chase people out with a raise, one of them could be drawing to a small flush and you'll stack him when you hit.
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Old 06-05-2006, 11:20 AM
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Default Re: NL100: Big draw, lots of issues...

I fold preflop to a UTG+1 raise. As its played I call the flop bet and see if i can hit the turn.
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Old 06-05-2006, 12:19 PM
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Default Re: NL100: Big draw, lots of issues...

I fold preflop, but yea call
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Old 06-05-2006, 12:23 PM
Andrew Karpinski Andrew Karpinski is offline
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Default Re: NL100: Big draw, lots of issues...

Given that UTG+1 is so short I might fold but since it looks like it's going to be atleast 4 way on the flop callins is ok. I'd call because I don't think UTG+1 is folding and the main reason behind pushing is the fold equity. You're getting great immediate odds to draw, do so.
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Old 06-05-2006, 12:25 PM
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Default Re: NL100: Big draw, lots of issues...

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I fold preflop, but yea call

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