2k NL 2 pair, villain c/r all in on the turn

PickyTooth · #1 06-05-2006, 02:44 AM

Villain is BoostedJ

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BB ($3761.11)
UTG ($3345.56)
Hero ($1960)
Button ($1911)
SB ($1980)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $10.
UTG raises to $70, Hero calls $70, 3 folds.

Flop: ($170) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets $110, Hero raises to $300, UTG calls $190.

Turn: ($770) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $600, UTG calls $2975.56 (All-In),Hero ?.

Anything besides 6-7 and a bluff that I can beat here ?

Prevaricator · #2 06-05-2006, 02:52 AM

A5s?

PickyTooth · #3 06-05-2006, 02:54 AM

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uhm doesnt he 3 bet the flop like 100% of the time with A x suited here ?

Prevaricator · #4 06-05-2006, 02:56 AM

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uhm doesnt he 3 bet the flop like 100% of the time with A x suited here ?

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why would he. what purpose would that serve?

Ansky · #5 06-05-2006, 03:03 AM

no he doesn't

theres no way im folding here.

i haven't play with boosted in a whiiiiiile and last time i did im lpretty sure i was horrible, but i def call here

MDMA · #6 06-05-2006, 03:05 AM

Your image and history with this player, as well as his image to you, is so crucial here. If you're raising here with a lot of hands/draws/air etc often enough, this could be AK for all we know. With a loose/aggro image you're never ever folding here. If you're (too) tight (and) (predictable) and pretty much never do this in position with weakish hands/air, then it becomes vastly different, although a fold is still very hard to find.

PickyTooth · #7 06-05-2006, 03:07 AM

prev can you elaborate why you think he doesnt 3 bet the flop with Ax suited out of position here.

MDMA · #8 06-05-2006, 03:14 AM

3-beting here would only a serve a purpose if we could make better hands fold, which would be the case if, for example, a loosish player raised us with AJ or something here (for value in his mind since actually having an A is way better than his usual crap/air) and we responded by a 3-bet semibluff to make him fold. This happens much less often than the times he's going to be on a draw/air/weaker hand, so it would much more often just work to make him shut down a lot of bluffs/semibluffs, and that we don't want. If he's for example raising here with air and the flush hits, were pretty much going to check each time and he's going to fire a high percentage of those times and THAT we want. And, if he's raising with a flushdraw, we're pretty much going to stack him if it hits obviously.

Ansky · #9 06-05-2006, 03:17 AM

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because pretty much everything he beats folds? usually?

dunno i'm drunk maybe in lagtard mode

PickyTooth · #10 06-05-2006, 03:25 AM

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prev can you elaborate why you think he doesnt 3 bet the flop with Ax suited out of position here.

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because pretty much everything he beats folds? usually?

dunno i'm drunk maybe in lagtard mode

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you can get AK AQ AJ to fold

it seems that if you call and the turn is a non club youre gonna be blown off the hand so many times here.

also if you wanna be able to play sets this way, you're gonna have to be doing this with these kinds of hands.

I dunno it's pretty standard for me to 3 bet there with Ax suited. Is my thinking way off ?