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Old 06-04-2006, 11:55 PM
Ryno Ryno is offline
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Default Putting in 0 bets postflop with AA

I haven't played much limit HE lately - is this an ok play?

40/80 Casino Arizona.

1 limper, I raise AA in LMP, Button calls, BB calls, limper calls. 4 players. The BB from what I can tell is a strong regular player in this game (given the respect he gets from others at the table, including the limper in this hand - I have never played in Arizona before). The limper and the button are probably in the 50/10/0.8 range.

Flop is 7s5s5d. Check, Check, I check, button bets, BB raises, limper 3bets, I fold.
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Old 06-05-2006, 12:10 AM
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Default Re: Putting in 0 bets postflop with AA

no problem when coming back to you, but why did you check the flop?
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Old 06-05-2006, 01:26 AM
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Default Re: Putting in 0 bets postflop with AA

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I guess after it comes back to you for 3 bets you are likely behind if the guys are really passive, but why in the hell are you checking the flop???
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Old 06-05-2006, 02:44 AM
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Default Re: Putting in 0 bets postflop with AA

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I guess after it comes back to you for 3 bets you are likely behind if the guys are really passive, but why in the hell are you checking the flop???

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Old 06-05-2006, 05:08 AM
G_Dollaz G_Dollaz is offline
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Default Re: Putting in 0 bets postflop with AA

this is absolutely not a fold here... especially if we have the As.... this could easily be a position bet, followed by the bb c/r'ing w/ A7, followed by the limper who limped w/ 88, etc, etc, etc.... this is not a fold here... I'm capping and then re-evaluating depending on who gets away, and depending on the turn card and the action... a flopped boat is not playing this hand so fast... if someone has a 5, so be it, but I'm not willing to concede just yet... there are a million draws out there that we can be charging people for.... I would have bet the flop however, then our decision is even easier
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Old 06-05-2006, 05:54 AM
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Default Re: Putting in 0 bets postflop with AA

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no problem when coming back to you, but why did you check the flop?

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Agreed. If you bet and it's capped coming back to you, then well, yeah, you're probably behind, but how/why do you not bet that flop? What kind of flop were you looking for to bet?
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Old 06-05-2006, 06:31 AM
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Default Re: Putting in 0 bets postflop with AA

calling gives you a chance to find out information to see who caps, if you're planning on capping anyway. in a live game you usually don't shut anyone out by having them face 2. on the internet people find more folds.

is az 5-cap? that would definitely affect the decision.
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Old 06-05-2006, 09:01 AM
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Default Re: Putting in 0 bets postflop with AA

I agree with G_Dollaz - no way you can fold here, especially in light of your original (bad) check.
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Old 06-05-2006, 12:19 PM
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Default Re: Putting in 0 bets postflop with AA

I checked because something felt weird and I had an overwhelming impulse to check. Afterwards I was trying to figure out if there was any redeeming value to this play if it had occurred on the internet (i.e. no visual cues).

A well-respected 2+2er witnessed me make a similar play once - I said "well, if you're going to make an omelet, you have to break a few eggs." He responded "yeah, but you burned down the chicken coop!"
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Old 06-05-2006, 12:24 PM
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Default Re: Putting in 0 bets postflop with AA

on this board you cannot fold. too many ways you are way ahead. on these types of boards, people get aggressive w/ almost any pair and since you checked they think you have AK and the limper could simply be trying to charge you. sure he can have a 5, but the chances he has a pair or a good draw + overs are higher and you have a very strong hand on this board. i also dont think you have to worry about the limper having a boat b/c he'd likely cold call having everyone drawing slim to dead.

checking the flop in the first place sucks. what was your urge to check based on? anything factual?

folding this spot w/ AA on 557twotone board given the action so far is a big mistake imo.

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