Second Pair turn play AJ 0.5/1

Sura · #1 06-04-2006, 07:59 PM

MP1 is 25/10/18 over 20 hands (only)

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP1 raises, Hero calls, 5 folds, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets, Hero raises, UTG+1 folds, MP1 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 bets, Hero ?

xorthio · #2 06-04-2006, 08:07 PM

fold, you shouldn't have bin in the hand at the first time, cold calling 2 bets is not what you want to do with aj offsuit. and he probably has the queen or the over pair i think

nomadtla · #3 06-04-2006, 08:40 PM

Offsuit easily dominated hands are very big losers when the pot has been raised. Fold preflop. If not there then I fold to that first flop bet. But I'll even toss AQo in that spot preflop to a raise, unless I know the player is position aware and may raise in middle position with a wide range. If that's the case then 3bet. But that is high variance and I suck postflop so I fold it preflop.

Hielko · #4 06-04-2006, 09:08 PM

Easy fold.

Romulus141 · #5 06-04-2006, 09:39 PM

*Grunch*

I fold preflop. Cold calling with unsuited hands like this is bad, even against a player like this who might raise with a slightly higher range of hands. Bad position with a hand that might be dominated (this is before you see that no one behind you calls).

If you're going to play this, fold the turn. You're beat, and probably have been beat since pre-flop.

Marquoz · #6 06-04-2006, 10:03 PM

Grunch

Clear fold PF. AJo against a raise is typically a big loser. I'd play it from the BB, but nowhere else.

Gib · #7 06-04-2006, 10:07 PM

Fold PF, you can however iso-raise someone who is raising light here, but after 20 hands that's hard to guage (unless you have seen him raise garbage).

I wouldn't raise the flop just peel & re-eval on turn.

inferno · #8 06-05-2006, 07:26 AM

fold preflop

sarsen · #9 06-05-2006, 10:54 AM

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I suck postflop so I fold it preflop.

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my standard play in this situation. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Gap23Razor · #10 06-05-2006, 07:39 PM

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MP1 is 25/10/18 over 20 hands (only)

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP1 raises, Hero calls, 5 folds, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets, Hero raises, UTG+1 folds, MP1 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 bets, Hero ?

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Pre-flop--fold although AJo is close to being able to play with per SSHE. But if you decide to play--raise in this position. Your read is that perhaps MP1 is loose & agressive preflop (25% VPIP, with 10% preflop raise--thus
he probably plays more hands than a TAG and also does more raising preflop than justified--although this is a small sample for a read, its still a read).

With 5 others to act behind you, raise to cut them off and isolate the two in front of you, plus find out if MP1 will cap and you'll have a better idea of what he is on--it's cheapest to find out here...if the villian calls your 3 bet preflop, he & UTG may check through on the flop and perhaps give you a free look at the flop--you have position...

anyway, after the flop we have an above average pair although still smaller than top pair, and a strong kicker. We should keep playing the hand if no one has shown a lot of strength--but the villian has...

so then lets look at the pot size --play on if its big & if we think we will win with a draw...i would think for outs the remaining jacks are good, 2 outs, but of the 3 aces, the A diamonds is a scary, and perhaps the villian is on AQ...for i'd give 1.5 outs to the Aces...so its 3.5 outs, with 7.75 to 1 odds? seems a little thin to call on the turn.

what do the other unpaid experts thing? ;-)