Raising is SO 2005...

[sirpupnyc]

Is there some new book out that says you should never ever raise with good hands? I've seen more limped top-10 hands in the last week than in the last year. Have they all gotten on the Cloutier/McEvoy bandwagon (Always fear better hands behind you, Never bet to find out if you're good because you should just know) or something?

They limp into pots with about a billion players already in, maybe they call a raise, they check-call the flop, they check-call the turn. Put them on some draw that's not coming in and woop, no, that weak-passive play was AA or KK or AK or something. I'm used to it sometimes (and often they wind up screwing themselves), but lately it seems like nobody gets a premium hand and does anything but play it slow.

Why am I spending so much time sitting here thinking "Well, sure, who'd raise with THAT?"

[jgunnip]

BBV

[bones]

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People wear black socks with tennis shoes. It's senseless. But it's even more senseless to wonder why they do it... especially if you're a black-socks salesman.

Embrace the oddity of mankind. Without such folly, we'd all be insane.

-Irieguy

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[sirpupnyc]

Nah, it's not "Waaaaa, why can't I win?" it's "Why are people suddenly refusing to show strength?"

It's things like watching the button limp and BB check, then get it all in on the turn after a KQT flop and show AJ (button) and AK (BB) and saying "Wha?"

[sirpupnyc]

Irieguy nails it again. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I suspect I'm just falling into the trap of giving my opponents credit for conscious thought of any kind beyond "Ooooo, I have two cards!" but it's just so wierd and widespread.

[alvaroaze]

Just happened now... 3 smooth calls, then all in on the river with the board double paired.

PartyPoker $22 Speed Tournament, Big Blind is t40 (10 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t2100)
UTG+1 (t2060)
MP1 (t2000)
MP2 (t2000)
MP3 (t2000)
CO+1 (t1920)
CO (t2100)
Button (t1940)
SB (t1880)
Hero (t2000)

Preflop: Hero is in BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG calls t40, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP2 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP3 folds</font>, CO+1 calls t40, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, SB calls t20, Hero checks

Flop: (t160) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
<font color="red">SB bets t40</font>, Hero calls t40, UTG calls t40, CO+1 calls t40

Turn: (t320) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
<font color="red">SB bets t40</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to t150</font>, UTG calls t150, <font color="gray">CO+1 folds</font>, SB calls t110

River: (t770) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets t400</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises to t1870 (All-in)</font>, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>, Hero calls t1370 (All-in)

Results in gray below:
<font color="#f7f7f7">Hero has 8h, 9h (a full house, Eights full of sixes)</font>
<font color="#f7f7f7">UTG has Ah, Ac (two pairs, aces and eights)</font>