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Old 06-02-2006, 11:25 AM
SonOfWestwood SonOfWestwood is offline
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Default Do we like this turn push?

UTG has stats of 50/9/2 after ~150 hands. I've seen him 2 barrel flush draws and play top pair strong. I don't think he'd do this with a lone 6 or 4 without somne kind of combo draw, like 65 or 54.

So, do we like this, or am I just spewing?

Thanks for any comments.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($308.95)
Hero ($118.66)
BB ($101.35)
UTG ($204.10)
MP ($99.82)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls $1, MP calls $1, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($4) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $4</font>, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $10</font>, MP folds, Hero calls $6.

Turn: ($24) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $20</font>, Hero calls $107.66 (All-In)
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Old 06-02-2006, 11:38 AM
antidan444 antidan444 is offline
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Default Re: Do we like this turn push?

I vote for spew. In an unraised pot (preflop), villain could have any trashy two-pair, a set, even a flopped straight. I don't think you have enough folding equity to make a push profitable.

I'm not sure whether I'd call the bet or fold. OOP, I'm not sure he's going to pay us off if we hit.
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Old 06-02-2006, 11:43 AM
Fishmonger Fishmonger is offline
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Default Re: Do we like this turn push?

I can't be the only one who folds to the flop raise. Turn play just looks goofy to me as well.
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Old 06-02-2006, 11:48 AM
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Default Re: Do we like this turn push?

I don't mind the flop call too much, but it certainly isn't a mistake to fold if you choose to, especially OOP.
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Old 06-02-2006, 11:55 AM
Leaky Game Leaky Game is offline
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Default Re: Do we like this turn push?

I vote for a spew. This reminds me of me forcing action when I'm steaming. Since you know he overplays his hands don't you want to get it all in with a better hand than midpair and not even the nut flush draw? Apparently you know he doesn't like to lay down his hands so why are we pushing with a mediocre holding when we can't really put him on a range of hands. 50% vpip doesn't really tell us all that much.
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Old 06-02-2006, 12:09 PM
SonOfWestwood SonOfWestwood is offline
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Default Re: Do we like this turn push?

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I vote for a spew. This reminds me of me forcing action when I'm steaming.

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Ha ha. This sums up my stupid reasoning for doing this very well.
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Old 06-02-2006, 06:09 PM
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Default Re: Do we like this turn push?

I'm folding to the flop raise. The turn push is bad, especially given the info you have on villain.
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