More revelations abt atrocities in Iraq

[Cyrus]

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Balad
The U.S. military told CNN it is investigating an incident in March near Balad in which Iraqi civilians were killed during a U.S. raid. Iraqi police said 11 people were killed in a U.S.-led raid against a suspected al Qaeda in Iraq site, including five children -- the youngest 6 months old -- four women, and two men were killed. The Balad police official told CNN at the time that eyewitnesses claimed that U.S. soldiers kept an entire family in a room before spraying them with bullets randomly.
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U.S. soldiers destroyed the building, the official said.
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Also, the official said U.S. soldiers killed livestock belonging to people in the house.

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Hamandiya
Military prosecutors plan to file murder, kidnapping and conspiracy charges against seven Marines and a Navy corpsman in the shooting death of an Iraqi man in April, a defense lawyer said Thursday.
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The Iraqi man reportedly was dragged from his home [in Hamandiya,] west of Baghdad, and shot. Both the Los Angeles Times and NBC News said troops may have planted an AK-47 and shovel near the body to make it appear the man was an insurgent burying a roadside bomb.
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The men being held at Camp Pendleton served in Iraq with the 3rd Battalion, 5th Marine Regiment. The highest-ranking among them is a staff sergeant.


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Haditha
by Molly Ivins
So, Haditha becomes another of the names at which we wince, along with Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo and My Lai. Tell you what: Let's not use the "stress of combat" excuse this time. According to neighbors, the girls in the family of Younis Khafif -- the one who kept pleading in English: "I am a friend. I am good" -- were 14, 10, 5, 3 and 1. What are they going to say? "Under stress of combat, we thought the baby was 2"?

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[QuadsOverQuads]

Don't worry, the Republican Internet Warriors Brigade will be here soon, so that we can all know what we're supposed to think.

Until they arrive, please refer to the Party Manual :

Republican Party Manual, Page 25 : Reasons Why Killing Civilians is OK

(1) The victims were foreigners / not white
(2) The victims were heathens / not Evangelical Christians
(3) The victims didn't speak English
(4) The victims might have been Mexican or Liberal
(5) Killing civilians prevents 9/11 attacks
(6) "Troop Morale" requires that mass-murders be covered up
(7) If you don't let soldiers commit crimes with impunity, then you are a Michael-Moore-loving, America-hating, Godless Communist Liberal Moonbat Traitor. Watch your back if you know what's good for you. Or else.

Further NewThink instructions to be delivered shortly by the usual Republican crew.


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[whiskeytown]

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Don't worry, the Republican Internet Warriors Brigade will be here soon, so that we can all know what we're supposed to think.

Until they arrive, please refer to the Party Manual :

Republican Party Manual, Page 25 : Reasons Why Killing Civilians is OK

(1) The victims were foreigners / not white
(2) The victims were heathens / not Evangelical Christians
(3) The victims didn't speak English
(4) The victims might have been Mexican or Liberal
(5) Killing civilians prevents 9/11 attacks
(6) "Troop Morale" requires that mass-murders be covered up
(7) If you don't let soldiers commit crimes with impunity, then you are a Michael-Moore-loving, America-hating, Godless Communist Liberal Moonbat Traitor. Watch your back if you know what's good for you. Or else.

Further NewThink instructions to be delivered shortly by the usual Republican crew.


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I'll take #2, Alex -

ding, ding, ding - we have a winner.

RB

[Chris Alger]

It's more war on reality. Last night O'Reilly questioned a fellow pro-war scumbag about the limits of what "we know" happened at Haditha. The response was: all we know is that "something bad" happened there and the rest are all unproven allegations. While he's talking, the stock footage shows bodies wrapped in blood-stained carpets on blood-stained floors, blood spatter stains all over the walls. You expected him to say: "it is alleged that there are people in those carpets, and that they somehow got themselves into an unenviable condition, but until the investigations, indictments and convictions have run their course we won't ave any idea."

[Riddick]

I think a good idea here would be to presume the accused are guilty, and then go from there.

[Copernicus]

Ahhh yes. We love the American system of justice unless we can try and score political points by ignoring it.

[canis582]

If you make excuses for war crimes: Drudge, Rush, Hannity, Savage, Oreally, does that make you a war criminal, too?

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In addition to U.S. political and military leaders, international law provides for the indictment of propagandists who stoke the flames of hate by supporting war crimes and the unlawful actions of governments during wartime. William Joyce (nicknamed Lord Haw Haw), an Irish-American broadcaster for Nazi Germany, was hanged for treason on 1946. Mildred Sisk (nicknamed Axis Sally), an American who broadcasted messages to Allied troops on Radio Berlin, was convicted of one count of treason following the war. U.S. citizen Iva Toguri D'Aquino ("Tokyo Rose"), a broadcaster for Japanese radio during World War II, was convicted of treason. She was pardoned by President Gerald Ford in a deal that Ford's Chief of Staff, Dick Cheney, was involved. Ferdinand Nahimana and Jean-Bosco Barayagwiza, broadcasters for Rwanda's Radio Milles Collines, were indicted by the International War Crimes Tribunal for Rwanda for airing anti-Tutsi messages in 1994. Broadcasters like Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Michael Savage, Rush Limbaugh, and other venal broadcasters who are acting on behalf of the Bush administration in defending war crimes committed by U.S. forces in Iraq, may find themselves subject to future International Criminal Court investigations.

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[Copernicus]

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If you make excuses for war crimes: Drudge, Rush, Hannity, Savage, Oreally, does that make you a war criminal, too?

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In addition to U.S. political and military leaders, international law provides for the indictment of propagandists who stoke the flames of hate by supporting war crimes and the unlawful actions of governments during wartime. William Joyce (nicknamed Lord Haw Haw), an Irish-American broadcaster for Nazi Germany, was hanged for treason on 1946. Mildred Sisk (nicknamed Axis Sally), an American who broadcasted messages to Allied troops on Radio Berlin, was convicted of one count of treason following the war. U.S. citizen Iva Toguri D'Aquino ("Tokyo Rose"), a broadcaster for Japanese radio during World War II, was convicted of treason. She was pardoned by President Gerald Ford in a deal that Ford's Chief of Staff, Dick Cheney, was involved. Ferdinand Nahimana and Jean-Bosco Barayagwiza, broadcasters for Rwanda's Radio Milles Collines, were indicted by the International War Crimes Tribunal for Rwanda for airing anti-Tutsi messages in 1994. Broadcasters like Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Michael Savage, Rush Limbaugh, and other venal broadcasters who are acting on behalf of the Bush administration in defending war crimes committed by U.S. forces in Iraq, may find themselves subject to future International Criminal Court investigations.

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a typical canus582 quote. Irrelevant, inflammatory and imbecilic

[QuadsOverQuads]

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I think a good idea here would be to presume the accused are guilty, and then go from there.

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Of course not.

The presumption of innocence clearly requires that we deny that any crime occured at all.

To do any less would be "presuming guilt" (right?)

In fact, out of fairness to the accused, I suggest that from now on all murder victims be referred to only as "allegedly dead" until an actual conviction is returned.

"Your honor, please take a look at this photograph of the alleged crime scene. In it, you'll notice the alleged blood spattered on the alleged walls and pooling in an alleged trail leading to the alleged victims who are, it appears, allegedly dead. Of course, we can't be certain this means anything improper occured, and we'd hate to bias our presentation by referring to these blood-soaked bodies as evidence that a murder took place. I mean, who really knows? It could go one way or the other. Uncertainty rules the day."


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[vulturesrow]

Actually most news reports I see usually use the term alleged to decribe people being charged with crimes, even if it seems obvious that they did in fact commit those crimes. Too bad that courtesy isnt afforded to American servicemembers. And for the record, if it turns out they did murder these people, I hope they are punished to the full extent of the law.