2 QQ hands 3/6

spacebetween · #1 05-30-2006, 06:41 PM

Player is 30/10/5.5 after about 100 hands

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Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, Hero raises, 2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (9.33 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
MP1 checks, MP2 checks, CO checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, CO folds.

Turn: (5.66 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets, MP1 raises, Hero calls.

River: (9.66 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 bets, Hero raises, MP1 3-bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15.66 BB

Normally, I would have folded to the turn raise, or even c/f the turn, but he had an AF of 5. Was I wrong to call? I really feel I played like a total donk. Please confirm my thoughts so I never do this again.

Malcom Reynolds · #2 05-30-2006, 06:54 PM

With an aggression factor of 5.5 the turn is an easy call. In fact, it is possible that 3-betting the turn is correct.

thirddan · #3 05-30-2006, 06:56 PM

"In fact, it is possible that 3-betting the turn is correct. "

i think that 3betting would be pretty bad...

Malcom Reynolds · #4 05-30-2006, 06:59 PM

Isn't an AF of 5.5 pretty close to maniac?

thirddan · #5 05-30-2006, 08:06 PM

AF of 5.5 is very aggressive, but its a maniac for a player that is 60/4 moreso than it is for a player that is 30/10...

crablegs33 · #6 05-30-2006, 08:50 PM

he is very aggressive so i'm 50/50 whether i myself would fold/call... this is where a more substantive of a read would help, how he plays top pair hands etc... his flat check-call on the flop has me suspicious... what is he going for overcalls w/ here that he didn't raise from mp1 preflop first in with a pfr% of 10 and an AF of 5???

looks more like a straight w/6-7, or semi-bluff with the flush draw to me (possibly the ace with the flush draw)... which got there on the river...

it's an ugly hand... unfortunately i think i play the same way given the numbers on villain... although i think releasing on the turn is the correct decision getting 8.6 to 1... (edit: if i had notes on villain that he is extremely tricky and will make plays like this on the pre-flop raiser etc... i think a call down could be in order)

as played, i can't fault you for your river raise/call... his AF complicates things once again...

very interesting hand, i'm gonna be interested in reading other's posts...

crablegs33 · #7 05-30-2006, 08:54 PM

it's over 100 hands as well which while will provide a somewhat reliable sense of their play is not 100% reliable... he could be running very good, and hitting flops, warranting the 5.5... i know i've had stretches with similar numbers because of that...

3-bet=bad IMO... if you decide to call him down because he's a maniac, i do exactly that, call him down... let him bet the hand for me...

ncboiler · #8 05-30-2006, 09:08 PM

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"In fact, it is possible that 3-betting the turn is correct. "

i think that 3betting would be pretty bad...

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I agree. High AF does not mean he makes plays at pots but rather he plays hands aggessivly when he has a made hand and tends to fold hands that are not made. Use his aggression against him when you know you have him beat.