JJ pre flop, OOP, complicated stacks

Mik1w · #1 05-30-2006, 03:42 PM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

saw flop|saw showdown

Hero ($54.35)
UTG ($104.80)
UTG+1 ($14.50)
MP1 ($50.10)
MP2 ($5.25)
MP3 ($50)
CO ($54.65)
Button ($20.45)
SB ($46.65)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.50, 1 fold, MP2 raises to $1.5, MP3 raises to $5, 3 folds, Hero calls $4.50, UTG+1 folds, MP2 raises to $5.25, MP3 calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25.

Flop: ($16.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $15

Like, hate pre flop?
flop?

keikiwai · #2 05-30-2006, 03:44 PM

I would rr to $15 pf, but I have trouble w/ these hands.

I'd hope MP3 folds and I get an AI w/ MP2.

If MP3 calls and the flop is the same.... hmmm... I guess I push... don't listen to me IMHO...

Mik1w · #3 05-30-2006, 03:45 PM

cant re-raise pre flop
edit- oh sorry you mean before the shortstack calls?

keikiwai · #4 05-30-2006, 03:46 PM

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cant re-raise pre flop

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Oh. Yeah I never know when you can / can't. Why can't you rr?

I guess then it looks good.

MrWookie · #5 05-30-2006, 03:47 PM

you can't come over the top of MP2 going AI, but you can reraise after MP3 the first time around, no?

keikiwai · #6 05-30-2006, 03:48 PM

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cant re-raise pre flop
edit- oh sorry you mean before the shortstack calls?

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This is what I mean:

1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.50, 1 fold, MP2 raises to $1.5, MP3 raises to $5, 3 folds, Hero raises to $15

Mik1w · #7 05-30-2006, 03:50 PM

Yeah, sorry, wasn't thinking about that time.

I didn't want to do that because I thought it was optimal to now play for set value or undercards against MP3.. me calling would effectively end the betting I think.

I didnt want to get into a raising war with JJ against a 100bb stack pre flop re-raiser (although maybe his range is a bit wider because he's re raising a short stack)

keikiwai · #8 05-30-2006, 03:51 PM

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(although maybe his range is a bit wider because he's re raising a short stack)

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Mik1w · #9 05-30-2006, 03:58 PM

but why would you re-raise a hsort stack? you're trying to get it all in before you see any cards, right, so he could hold a bunch of lower pocket pairs as well?

keikiwai · #10 05-30-2006, 04:00 PM

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but why would you re-raise a hsort stack? you're trying to get it all in before you see any cards, right, so he could hold a bunch of lower pocket pairs as well?

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I think your goal here is folding the bigger stack, so you can be AI vs. a worse hand from shorty and bigger stack's dead money.

Also, I think bigger stack's pfrr is light here, so you're hopefully ahead of his range, although it's easy to get yourself in hot water here....