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Old 05-29-2006, 09:42 PM
jakerc jakerc is offline
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Default (NL10) K8 on BB, river decision

my notes on this guy say "calling station donk" after he called me down and sucked out on the river to steal a 95BB pot from me. i put him on a fairly wide range of hands. is this an easy fold?

Absolute Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10
9 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $12.62
UTG+1: $3.85
MP1: $6.20
MP2: $28.20
MP3: $4.12
CO: $8.12
Button: $8.80
SB: $5.90
Hero: $5.40

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
5 folds, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, Hero checks.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($0.3, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks.

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($0.3, 3 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $0.3</font>, CO calls, SB folds.

River: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($0.9, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $0.7</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to $2</font>, Hero...
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Old 05-29-2006, 09:51 PM
NewUser2006 NewUser2006 is offline
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Default Re: (NL10) K8 on BB, river decision

What range of hands do you put him on?

Deciding whether or not to call a bet or raise on the river is probably the easiest part of hold'em.

Assign probabilities based on what you think he holds, compare that to pot odds and make decision based off of that.
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Old 05-29-2006, 09:51 PM
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Default Re: (NL10) K8 on BB, river decision

Meh, you beat all K's but K2. Go ahead and call.
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Old 05-29-2006, 10:01 PM
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Default Re: (NL10) K8 on BB, river decision

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What range of hands do you put him on?

Deciding whether or not to call a bet or raise on the river is probably the easiest part of hold'em.

Assign probabilities based on what you think he holds, compare that to pot odds and make decision based off of that.

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well, from his previous play i have to assume he's donktastic, so would put him on any K, any 8 (especially something like 83) and any deuce. how would i go about calculating those numbers based on pot odds?
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Old 05-29-2006, 10:07 PM
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Default Re: (NL10) K8 on BB, river decision

The pot currently has $3.60, and it costs $1.1 to call, which means you're getting a little better than 3.2:1 on your money... this means that you only have to win the hand ~31% of the time to show a profit.

If you think he's equally likely to have any of the hands you've said, then it is a definate call (you beat almost two times as many hands that he's likely to have as you lose to). I'd discount the times he has an 8, since calling stations usually won't be raising the river there.

It's up to you to decide the exact probabilities (thats what a read is), but as long as you think you'll win 31% of the time, you MUST call this.
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Old 05-29-2006, 10:14 PM
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Default Re: (NL10) K8 on BB, river decision

well i ended up calling and he flipped over A2, which capped off the end of another losing session for me at NL10 [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

i don't feel so bad however looking at the numbers, cause i think i can definitley win that hand 31% of the time. thanks for your help newuser.
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Old 05-29-2006, 10:30 PM
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Default Re: (NL10) K8 on BB, river decision

Given the line he took, I think this is a pretty easy call.
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Old 05-29-2006, 10:46 PM
Mroberts3 Mroberts3 is offline
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Default Re: (NL10) K8 on BB, river decision

Make a note of his play and move on. I think you made the right play in this case. Use this info for making similar decisions in the future. IE if he makes a similar play in the future maybe consider that he has a good hand a higher % of the time.
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