Playing 2nd pair like a limit player...

[MrWookie]

But in this spot, it felt pretty reasonable. Surely a spot like this doesn't warrant folding, no?

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $87.02
UTG+1: $92.50
CO: $241.84
Button: $108.30
SB: $86.14
ButtrNEggMan: $100.60

Pre-flop: (6 players) ButtrNEggMan is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, ButtrNEggMan checks.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($4, 4 players)
SB checks, ButtrNEggMan checks, UTG checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets $1</font>, SB folds, <font color="#cc0000">ButtrNEggMan raises to $5</font>

[ad617]

Well...you're betting five bucks to win five bucks - do you think you are likely to win this pot right now?

I'm a touch pessimistic, but I certainly wasn't at the table.

--AD

PS. I tend to never come out ahead when I give myself 1-1 on the pot - there's my bias.

[AKQJ10]

Four-handed (three after the SB folds) I would probably let this go most of the time and play it like you did very occasionally -- more often if the CO is known to steal with position, of course.

It probably goes without saying, but fold turn w/o improvement unless CO is known to call down with little or to pay too much for draws.

[VayaConDios]

Thanks for the read.

[MrWookie]

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Thanks for the read.

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Thanks for the input.

I was pretty new to the table. The players were loose, but I didn't have much.

[_dave_]

I like this play.

Whenever I find someone mini-betting the flop, I will raise with any piece of the board. I would have normally raise pot here ($7), but $5 is close enough and probably accomplishes the same effect - he folds anything marginal (flush draw, TPCK) and by calling defines his hand as something that can beat 2nd pair. Either way, this is a good result. If he calls, you know you need to improve to beat him, and he has a hand that will likely pay off if you do. If he folds, obviously great.

Take my advice with a pinch of salt - I am very much a beginner to this SSNL strategy business [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Another line I may take (but probably less likely given the size of his flop bet) is to represent the heart draw myself - call his weak flop bet, check-call a non heart turn, bomb any 3-flush turn/river. I am not often doing this here though since his weak flop bet suggests to me he has two big hearts and wants to see a cheap turn - I much prefer the pot-sized raise in this hand.

YMMV,

dave.

EDIT: edited to correct spelling errors [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[cbloom]

IMHO better to call and lead a non-heart turn. Or just fold.

[BalugaWhale]

This is a fold.

[Isura]

It's fine if you don't put anymore $ in.

[Slap My Jack]

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Another line I may take (but probably less likely given the size of his flop bet) is to represent the heart draw myself - call his weak flop bet, check-call a non heart turn, bomb any 3-flush turn/river.


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I don't mind doing this sometimes, but it's an expensive bluff to pull off in the longrun, and I know some "LAGgy" villains who will try to do this EVERYTIME.

Point: they're still calling down without odds to hit their bluff card. And they don't make any extra money when you call, and actually lose more.

At least I think math backs this up, I hadn't thought about how it might work in for when they're actually drawing to the flush. Too tired to think it through. You get the idea. (But I guess if you bet your flush draws you can throw their game off too.)