$109 AJ bluff

supercomputer · #1 05-26-2006, 10:45 PM

This is money right?

Villain t1930
Hero t2780

9 handed
Blinds 25/50

Villain opens to 200 from MP.
Hero calls from the BB with A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Flop (425) 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Hero checks. Villain bets 200. Hero raises to 600.

ryanghall · #2 05-26-2006, 11:18 PM

I fold preflop real quick. Calling big raises OOP with crappy hands is a good way to lose a lot of money.

To the flop checkraise I say "meh". This hand seems like a chip spew to me.

Ryan

beboppoker · #3 05-26-2006, 11:23 PM

well monster draws = C/R or Bet/3Bet right?
With your chip stack in relation to the pot, I think C/R is the better option.

As for the Pre-flop call...I play 11s and 22s right now, and I fold. I dont know if you have to open up for higher stakes or if im just weak Preflop.

supercomputer · #4 05-26-2006, 11:49 PM

What's your calling range in the blind here?

His flop bet looked weak. I figured him for AK no spade or something.

Ditch Digger · #5 05-27-2006, 12:57 AM

I'm folding preflop and against some random I'm too big of a puss to make this play with two overs with the jack high flush draw. IMO, the 109's are soft enough where you don't need to be making semi questionable FPS moves.

Msikko · #6 05-27-2006, 08:07 AM

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What's your calling range in the blind here?

His flop bet looked weak. I figured him for AK no spade or something.

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A good player may make it look weak with something like KsKx, I wouldnt be betting too much with that kind of hand anyways cause I'd like a middle pair with or without a spade to call me; and inducing a bluff like you pulled off here isn't too bad as well

bigt439 · #7 05-27-2006, 11:10 AM

This hand looks pretty ugly to me.

Pf is a fold in my books and I'm loose.

Flop c/r is way worse than pf IMO tho. He can call or shove with so many hands and if he does either you're in an awful spot on the turn. You don't even know what your outs are if you hit. I would have folded both times I was given an opportunity to.

schwza · #8 05-27-2006, 01:07 PM

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well monster draws = C/R or Bet/3Bet right?
With your chip stack in relation to the pot, I think C/R is the better option.

As for the Pre-flop call...I play 11s and 22s right now, and I fold. I dont know if you have to open up for higher stakes or if im just weak Preflop.

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hero definitely does not have monster draw. he has 3 outs against AxKs, 2 against KxKs, etc. if he did have one then the standard would be to bet/3bet because then he can be the one pushing.

agree that both streets should be folds.

beboppoker · #9 05-27-2006, 01:51 PM

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well monster draws = C/R or Bet/3Bet right?
With your chip stack in relation to the pot, I think C/R is the better option.

As for the Pre-flop call...I play 11s and 22s right now, and I fold. I dont know if you have to open up for higher stakes or if im just weak Preflop.

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hero definitely does not have monster draw. he has 3 outs against AxKs, 2 against KxKs, etc. if he did have one then the standard would be to bet/3bet because then he can be the one pushing.

agree that both streets should be folds.

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I was wrong about the monster draw. But if he did have one, how many chips would he have to have to make c/r a better option? I read a post in the NL cash section talking about c/r vs B/3b, and it said that c/r is a better option if your chipstack is low in regard to the pot.

schwza · #10 05-27-2006, 02:12 PM

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well monster draws = C/R or Bet/3Bet right?
With your chip stack in relation to the pot, I think C/R is the better option.

As for the Pre-flop call...I play 11s and 22s right now, and I fold. I dont know if you have to open up for higher stakes or if im just weak Preflop.

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hero definitely does not have monster draw. he has 3 outs against AxKs, 2 against KxKs, etc. if he did have one then the standard would be to bet/3bet because then he can be the one pushing.

agree that both streets should be folds.

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I was wrong about the monster draw. But if he did have one, how many chips would he have to have to make c/r a better option? I read a post in the NL cash section talking about c/r vs B/3b, and it said that c/r is a better option if your chipstack is low in regard to the pot.

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if you want to get all-in on the flop with a good draw, you generally want to be the one making the final all-in bet, for enough that you have fold equity but not so much that it's a weird overbet.

in this case a normal line would be hero bets 250, villain raises to 750, hero pushes for villain's last 1k.

it's actually closer than i realized between c/r and bet/3bet. it could also go

hero checks, villain bets 300, hero c/r's for villain's last 1430.

but if it starts: hero checks, villain bets 200, hero c/r's to 600, then hero is in a crappy spot if villain pushes. assuming he actually has a big draw, maybe something like As5x or AsKx, then he's probably commited to calling but is rarely better than a flip.