LC: KK at the 11s, Standard?

[igotBlackJak]

Standard fold? Stupid Raise on flop?

PartyPoker Regular Tournament, Big Blind is t (10 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

Hero (t1940)
UTG+1 (t2360)
MP1 (t1830)
MP2 (t70)
MP3 (t1960)
CO+1 (t1710)
CO (t2350)
Button (t1840)
SB (t3900)
BB (t2040)

Preflop: Hero is in UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="red">Hero raises to t180</font>, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, MP1 calls t180, <font color="gray">MP2 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP3 folds</font>, <font color="gray">CO+1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, Button calls t180, SB calls t150, <font color="gray">BB folds</font>

Flop: (t690) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets t350</font>, MP1 calls t350, <font color="red">Button raises to t700</font>, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>, <font color="gray">Hero folds</font>, MP1 calls t350

Turn: (t2440) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 checks, <font color="red">Button bets t960</font>, MP1 calls t950

River: (t4350) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

[ciaran]

I don't think I'd bother betting a 4-handed A-high flop here. I generally raise less pre-flop, but I know a lot of people prefer the bigger raise with AA/KK and smaller blinds.

[tylanthus]

I'm raising a little more preflop, probably 240.

On the flop, I'm pretty much done with the hand when I see that ace. We're just not going to take down this pot with a c-bet into three people often enough to continue in my opinion.

[citanul]

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I don't think I'd bother betting a 4-handed A-high flop here. I generally raise less pre-flop, but I know a lot of people prefer the bigger raise with AA/KK and smaller blinds.

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i probably just check and fold the flop as well. however, note that the converter is busted on this hand and it could easilly be 30/60 not 20/40.

citanul

[tylanthus]

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however, note that the converter is busted on this hand and it could easilly be 30/60 not 20/40.

[/ QUOTE ]SB called 150, FYI.

[citanul]

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however, note that the converter is busted on this hand and it could easilly be 30/60 not 20/40.

[/ QUOTE ]SB called 150, FYI.

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good f'n sleuthing.

citanul

[igotBlackJak]

was 30/60... check/fold that flop is better play huh... i'm realizing that the more I look at it.

[igotBlackJak]

I wont even mention what these donks showed...

[Steelerman]

I'd raise her up to about 270 here. Donks will still call you at the $11's with Ax but you're making them pay. This exact situation is one that I struggle with alot. More so with QQ than KK but still a struggle nonetheless. You want action with these hands but there's nothing worse psychologically than that stupid ace flopping (even though it'll only happen one in five times).

I think with this flop you check fold, unless somebody throws a really weak prober out there.

[dumbmother]

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I think with this flop you check fold, unless somebody throws a really weak prober out there.


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raise 3x blind is standard more if you want, flop you are oop and most likely someone hit an A so betting out here is asking to lose chips imo.

-dm