Sometimes I just do stuff.... QQ, 5/10

[Mister Z]

Villain here is on the lag side (40/10/1.8 I think), but not intelligent (or dumb) enough to 3-bet this turn on a draw or with 2nd pair. In other words I haven't seen him get completely out of line. I planned on C/R'ing any turn.

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. MP3 posts a blind of $5.
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 (poster) raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls.

Flop: (7 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (11.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 12.50 BB

[Los Feliz Slim]

I think you're going to see a J with or without a [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] draw enough to call the river.

[GrahamW]

I think you might have saved some money 3-betting the flop and getting a better idea where you're at. Otherwise I think you played it fine.

[crablegs33]

i was thinking the same think... more specifically A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J

[Mister Z]

So if I intended to take this to SD, and since I have to call a 3-bet(Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]), does that make the turn C/R a bad idea? A player like this is calling down with 2nd pair all the time. Anybody prefer a turn donk?

[Bill C]

I don't think I'd c/r the turn unless I planned to call a bet on the end. It isn't clear to me what was the purpose of the turn c/r, either. You can't have liked calling the 3-bet. The third card to the flush has fallen, and he's been acting like he has a flush draw; his action on the turn represents a made flush.

I think I would have preferred bet/3-bet on the flop, and given the nature of the turn card, call him down from there unless a spade falls on the river.

Just my $.02 worth...

bill c

[Mister Z]

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It isn't clear to me what was the purpose of the turn c/r, either.


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My reasoning was that this player would easily call down with any J, especially with a [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. However I hadn't considered how expensive a 3-bet would be since I was holding the Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. I'm thinking playing this more straight-forward with the line you suggested would have made more sense.

[sean c]

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Anybody prefer a turn donk?

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A donk no but i would 3-bet the flop and bet the turn.

[TripleH68]

The thing that strikes me about this hand is that it is difficult to put villain on a hand. Might be easier for villain to put hero on a hand. Villain posted and opened. Hero 3-bet preflop.

That said I think the best play is to 3-bet the flop and lead the turn.

[James.]

you can't fold to a 3 bet so the turn raise SUCKS. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]