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Old 05-24-2006, 12:44 PM
Fianchetto Fianchetto is offline
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Default Party 2/4, QQ overpair line check.

Party 400 NL 6-max

Decent aggressive player limps in EP ($600), 2nd limper ($450), I'm in the CO ($500) and make it $18 with QQ.

Blinds fold, both limpers call.

3 players ($54)

Flop: 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Checked to me I bet $50, EP is only caller.

2 players ($154)

Turn: J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Check, I bet $100, he calls.

2 players ($354)

River: 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

He bets $225, I call.


Comments on all streets appreciated.


Also, sort of a related question, what if it was checked to you on the river, value bet?
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Old 05-24-2006, 12:46 PM
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Default Re: Party 2/4, QQ overpair line check.

Seems good, I mean his line doesn't look like a bluff but I think he might be value betting J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]X[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or something to that effect. I think QQ is an easy just call, and yes if it's checked to you an easy bet.

I guess you're learning NL at a rather low limit.
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Old 05-24-2006, 12:48 PM
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Default Re: Party 2/4, QQ overpair line check.

Fine.
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Old 05-24-2006, 12:56 PM
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Default Re: Party 2/4, QQ overpair line check.

If he's a decent, aggressive player, is he really check-calling big bets on the flop and turn, out of position, with a draw? I don't think so. Because of that, I think checking behind on the turn is fine; you've got one pair, keeping the pot small is ok. Betting is ok, too, though.

Call the river. Expect to lose, but none of the draws got there, and that 7 just saved you from JT.
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Old 05-24-2006, 01:02 PM
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Default Re: Party 2/4, QQ overpair line check.

I would raise more preflop: 20 with one limper 25-30 with 2 limpers.

Flop is solid. I would often check behind for pot control as the J wasn't a great card here. Plus might induce a river bluff from villan.

Call the river, hard to believe an aggressive villan would slow play 89 or a set on the turn.
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Old 05-24-2006, 02:00 PM
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Default Re: Party 2/4, QQ overpair line check.

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If he's a decent, aggressive player, is he really check-calling big bets on the flop and turn, out of position, with a draw? I don't think so. Because of that, I think checking behind on the turn is fine

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Just because villian wont call with a flush draw on the turn does not mean that Hero should not bet. I think firing on the turn again is the right thing to do.

As for the river, sometimes call, sometimes fold. Just looking at the hand history - my gut says fold on this one.

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Old 05-24-2006, 04:42 PM
Fianchetto Fianchetto is offline
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Thanks for the repsonses.

He had 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], and MHING.
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Old 05-24-2006, 05:03 PM
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I would raise more preflop and bet more on the turn. Probably have to call this river as you now beat JT.
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Old 05-24-2006, 05:13 PM
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Default Re: Party 2/4, QQ overpair line check.

I would push or fold the river. Almost always pushing. Overpair = nuts.
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