TT hand from a 109

supercomputer · #1 05-23-2006, 10:00 PM

Hero started with t2000 and now has t1650. 9 players left. Blinds 50/100.

3 folds.
10 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 10 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Hero raises to 300.
2 folds.
Villain calls.
SB folds.
BB calls.

Flop (t950) 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Hero bets 500. Villain calls. BB folds.

Turn (1950) A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (doh!)
Hero reluctantly pushes.

I'm committed right? Thoughts on the flop bet?

SToLF · #2 05-23-2006, 10:02 PM

if you are pot committed after betting the flop, then you shouldve pushed on the flop.

supercomputer · #3 05-23-2006, 10:07 PM

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if you are pot committed after betting the flop, then you shouldve pushed on the flop.

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I disagree, but I want to hear other opinions. This is essentially the question I'm asking.

SToLF · #4 05-23-2006, 10:14 PM

you're way to early to be raising here imo

XXsooted · #5 05-23-2006, 10:15 PM

Looks fine. Agreed that you should not just push the flop even though you are comitting yourself, because pushing may cause some folds that you don't want.

bigballz · #6 05-23-2006, 10:15 PM

push flop!

bigballz · #7 05-23-2006, 10:16 PM

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Looks fine. Agreed that you should not just push the flop even though you are comitting yourself, because pushing may cause some folds that you don't want.

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your stack is barely bigger than the pot. What is calling 500 that isn't calling a push????? If anything, a push would get more calls IMO.

EDIT: by this I mean from hands that you beat like 77 or K8. Of course, anything that beats you is calling whatever you bet.

SToLF · #8 05-23-2006, 10:17 PM

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pushing may cause some folds that you don't want.

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imo , you want EVERYTHING folding here

vinyard · #9 05-23-2006, 10:21 PM

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you're way to early to be raising here imo

[/ QUOTE ] No, he's not. Its a matter of personal preference but raising here is entirely reasonable. Calling or folding here is actually problematic, IMO.

OP: On an almost ideal flop for you you bet nearly 40% of your stack into a pot that was ~2/3 the size of your stack. Personally, I am as interested in why you made the size bet you did as many others will be? I suspect somebody will also point out that pushing here will probably get calls from weaker hands that the bet of 500 will.

supercomputer · #10 05-23-2006, 10:24 PM

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Looks fine. Agreed that you should not just push the flop even though you are comitting yourself, because pushing may cause some folds that you don't want.

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your stack is barely bigger than the pot. What is calling 500 that isn't calling a push????? If anything, a push would get more calls IMO.

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This is really the best argument for pushing. But I think there are definitely some hands that would call 500 but not a push. Remember there are 2 players, so for button to call a push he has to worry about BB. Is A9 calling a push (probably)? What about AK?