Party 5/10 spew fest, part II.

naMruM · #1 05-22-2006, 07:54 AM

How I think I should have played it through to the turn, would like comments on the lines below please...

Again, villain is SLA-A 23/12/2.7...

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Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
6 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, BB calls.
Point one: I'm a moron for not raising the LP limper.

Flop: (3 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls.
Point 2: Against villain's pretty random cards, I should be leading my TPTK. Villain's raise could be a made hand (pair, raggedy two, set) or could be a draw. When not being an idiot, I typically favor stop-and-go here (call then lead). Other lines?

Turn: (4.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, Hero ??
[i]Yikes. I just made top two, showed aggression on all streets so far, and still got popped. Where do we go from here?[i]

tom10167 · #2 05-22-2006, 08:03 AM

Dude his AF is 2.7, if you were ever behind you aren't now. How could you think you're behind? The only thing that beats you is a set, and you already have two pair.

3 bet the flop, if he caps lead your A turn check call non A turn.
If he doesn't cap lead at turn
as you played it that's the easiest reraise I'd ever make.

XmasXmas · #3 05-22-2006, 09:12 AM

drawy boards means you should 3 bet the flop. you don't want anyone getting sneaky on you and raising for a free card. also, since the flop is J high, you don't want an overcard to come that can potentially kill your action. as an example, say the hand played out as you wrote up to the point you bet on the turn. if villain had a hand like JT, he may get scared at this point and just call you down. in this case, you lost at least 1 sb.

there's not much of a point to betting out this turn unless your intention is to three-bet. if you wanted villain to tell you something about his hand, a c/r would probably work better while producing the same amount of bets as a bet/call would.

you haven't shown too much aggression in this hand. all you've shown is that you're capable of playing a strong hand in a very weird fashion. c/r or 3-bet some, then you can say you've shown some aggression and try to make an assessment of villain's hand. if i were in villain's shoes, i'd might make the same turn raise w/ a hand as low as KJ thinking you're trying to semi-bluff multiple streets or scare cards and then taking a free show down.

tsrcess · #4 05-22-2006, 09:23 AM

hmmmmmmmm my 2 cents-i don't raise when in the sb to a late position call with a good (but not great) hand. i would certainly re-raise a late position raise with the same cards. why the difference? position & likely # of players....as played, i would re-raise the turn...

Haupt_234 · #5 05-22-2006, 10:00 AM

3betting the flop here > stop-and-go.

3bet the turn, too.

Haupt_234

GrahamW · #6 05-22-2006, 11:24 AM

3-bet that flop. It'd be standard for him to raise you here with almost any J, and even a FD.

3-bet the turn, and check-call if he caps it.

freedom18 · #7 05-22-2006, 02:37 PM

grunch
i would have to say The player has the capability of slow playing a set, I would not give him credit for it and pound the [censored] out of him from the turn on... but of course the river club would matter [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] lets hope its a A of clubs [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

RyanCMU · #8 05-22-2006, 05:56 PM

3bet this turn