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Old 05-22-2006, 12:45 AM
dirk dirk is offline
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Default AA too fast?

only 20 hands on the villian over which he's 22/15/6/46%. These are from a previouse session so pretty much no reads

no reads on Button

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Pre-flop: (6 players) hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">hero raises</font>, UTG+1 folds, <font color="#cc0000">CO 3-bets</font>, Button calls, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">hero caps</font>, CO calls, Button calls.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (13.33SB, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">hero bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises</font>, Button calls, <font color="#cc0000">hero 3-bets</font>, CO calls, Button calls.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (11.17BB, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">hero bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises</font>, Button folds, <font color="#cc0000">hero 3-bets</font>?

I can't think of any rational reason he didn't just cap the flop, is it a mistake to not just call down after the turn raise?
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Old 05-22-2006, 12:47 AM
Scary_Tiger Scary_Tiger is offline
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Default Re: AA too fast?

He didn't cap the flop because he wanted to raise the turn.

He probably has TT or 99.

Edit: But call down and beat KK.
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Old 05-22-2006, 12:58 AM
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Default Re: AA too fast?

His AF is a little high. He could have an overpair. I just call his 2 bet and call down river.
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Old 05-22-2006, 03:29 AM
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Default Re: AA too fast?

Bet/call turn is standard. 3 betting would be over playing, without a read.
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Old 05-22-2006, 03:31 AM
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Default Re: AA too fast?

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His AF is a little high. He could have an overpair. I just call his 2 bet and call down river.

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We have no idea what his AF is, that read is over 20 hands, so its pretty much entirely meaningless
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Old 05-22-2006, 03:31 AM
LuckyDevil LuckyDevil is offline
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Default Re: AA too fast?

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His AF is a little high.

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His sample size is 20 hands. You can't gauge that correctly on that sample size.
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Old 05-22-2006, 03:34 AM
TheHip41 TheHip41 is offline
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Default Re: AA too fast?

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He didn't cap the flop because he wanted to raise the turn.

He probably has TT or 99.

Edit: But call down and beat KK.

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right now, on the turn, he either has 99-tt, you are stroked

or JJ-KK, you are stroking him, or dick, and he might fold(unlikely)

the problem is, if you 3bet, and he caps, you are ahead never. and we know we won't fold, so just call down from the turn raise.

It sure looks like a "going to [censored] you for a lot of money" line he takes
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Old 05-22-2006, 04:28 AM
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Default Re: AA too fast?

yeah, it was the fact that the third guy was in there that made me think the lack of flop cap was fishy. He gets the same amount of money if Button calls another two as if I call one more turn BB. It made me think "huh? well, if he'll do that ... 3-bet." In retrospect, that's a stupid read and a calldown is correct, but I wanted to check.
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