55 Family Pot 2/4 crypto

Osric · #1 05-21-2006, 10:50 AM

Cryptologic
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $2/$4
10 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is MP1 with 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls, MP2 calls, MP3 (poster) checks, CO raises, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, Hero 3-bets, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, CO caps, Button calls, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (31.5SB, 7 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, UTG+2 calls, Hero raises, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls.

Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (21.75BB, 6 players)
UTG+1 bets, UTG+2 calls, Hero raises, MP3 folds, CO 3-bets, Button folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls.

River: 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (33.75BB, 4 players)
UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero checks, CO bets, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 folds, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 36.75BB

Thoughts?

Haupt_234 · #2 05-21-2006, 11:20 AM

Standardo. Looks good.

Haupt_234

WhiteWolf · #3 05-21-2006, 11:49 AM

Absent reads, I'm raising every chance I get postflop. AA/KK are more likely for CO than QQ/JJ. UTG+1 may have 77 (QQ not likely given pre-flop action), but could also have QJ or some other Q-paint. There's also a lot of other players throwing in dead money: bloat that pot as much as possible.

Haupt_234 · #4 05-21-2006, 12:34 PM

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Absent reads, I'm raising every chance I get postflop. AA/KK are more likely for CO than QQ/JJ. UTG+1 may have 77 (QQ not likely given pre-flop action), but could also have QJ or some other Q-paint. There's also a lot of other players throwing in dead money: bloat that pot as much as possible.

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We can't ignore CO's coldcall on the flop and 3bet on the turn. This screams flopped/turned set and doesn't come close to representing AA/KK.

Haupt_234

Str8Fish · #5 05-21-2006, 02:20 PM

I would have capped every street.

WhiteWolf · #6 05-21-2006, 03:17 PM

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Absent reads, I'm raising every chance I get postflop. AA/KK are more likely for CO than QQ/JJ. UTG+1 may have 77 (QQ not likely given pre-flop action), but could also have QJ or some other Q-paint. There's also a lot of other players throwing in dead money: bloat that pot as much as possible.

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We can't ignore CO's coldcall on the flop and 3bet on the turn. This screams flopped/turned set and doesn't come close to representing AA/KK.

Haupt_234

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If CO is dumb enough to slowplay a flopped set here, he's dumb enough to slowplay an overpair. CO's preflop cap and flop coldcall discount the chance of JJ. I'm not saying it's impossible he does not have a set, I'm saying it's less probable than an overpair.

Haupt_234 · #7 05-21-2006, 03:37 PM

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If CO is dumb enough to slowplay a flopped set here, he's dumb enough to slowplay an overpair.

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I disagree. It takes much more stupidity to slowplay an overpair multiway compared to slowplaying a set. That is what 2/4 donks do. They flop a set and they slowplay.

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CO's preflop cap and flop coldcall discount the chance of JJ. I'm not saying it's impossible he does not have a set, I'm saying it's less probable than an overpair.

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Your typical 2/4 opponent will slowplay a flopped set or call a 1 overcard flop with an underpair much, MUCH more than slowplaying an overpair multiway waiting to raise the turn.

Haupt_234

Dagger78 · #8 05-21-2006, 05:05 PM

Turn sure, but if you bet and get raised on the river, you're behind unless he a total maniac that thinks KK or AA is still good.

OldFatnStupid · #9 05-21-2006, 05:15 PM

Preflop, is this standard?

I've never done this, how many people in before we can do this profitably?

Nick Royale · #10 05-21-2006, 05:20 PM

Do not 3-bet preflop. It's not unlikely it will get 1-2 players to fold and we don't have an equity edge here given that we will often have to give up on the flop. As a rule of thumb you'll flop a set about 7.5:1 and it will hold up 10:1. In this huge multiway pot it will probably hold up less than 10:1. Since the pot is already big risking shutting out players and having to invest 3-4SB preflop definately hurts your implied odds more than the fact that the big pot will induce opponents to stay when you hit a set.