Wrong to back of with KK here?

luckydonut · #1 05-19-2006, 11:22 AM

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, Hero raises, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 1 fold, CO 3-bets, 3 folds, UTG folds, Hero caps, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (18.50 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, CO calls.

Turn: (14.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, CO bets, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

River: (17.25 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, CO bets, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 20.25 BB
Main Pot: 20.25 BB, between Hero, MP2 and CO. > Split: Hero (10.12 BB), CO (10.12 BB).

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ks Kc (two pair, kings and eights).
MP2 has Jh Qh (two pair, jacks and eights).
CO has Kd Kh (two pair, kings and eights).
Outcome: Hero wins 10.12 BB. CO wins 10.12 BB. 

I figure that with CO making it 3-bets pre-flop and still showing aggression on this flop that I am probably against a large pocket pair. Given that we beat QQ but are crushed by AA or JJ, should I still be leading the betting on the turn. I'm don't think I'm ahead of CO here more than 50% of the time.

However with MP2 still in the pot and looking like he is way behind, is the chance to get his extra money in the pot reason enough to keep betting for the times that we are ahead? Or do we want to try to force him out of the hand to increase our chances of taking this pot?

I'd already had KK vs AA and QQ vs KK earlier in the session so I'm sure that affected my decision here. Should I still be throwing more money at this hand until more strength is shown by either opponent?

tiltaholic · #2 05-19-2006, 11:27 AM

lead the turn for the love of god.

kerowo · #3 05-19-2006, 11:27 AM

Welcome to the forum. Don't show results in the hand posting.

I think you can find another raise here somewhere. Think of how someone would play this hand with AJo.

sarsen · #4 05-19-2006, 11:28 AM

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lead the turn for the love of god.

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FDT78 · #5 05-19-2006, 11:28 AM

CO did not cap the turn, you are probably not seeing JJ or AA here. You have to bet this turn.

Nfinity · #6 05-19-2006, 11:33 AM

If your going to 3-bet the Flop, and CO lets you close the action there, then yes you really should be betting that Turn.

And you really don't need to win this hand 50% of the time because of all the money MP2 has been throwing into the pot.

Buzz-cp · #7 05-19-2006, 11:37 AM

it doesn't make sense to 3-bet the flop and then check the turn.

ClonexxSA · #8 05-19-2006, 11:43 AM

Lead the turn, he slowed down when you 3-bet him on the flop, meaning he feels YOU may be playing 88/JJ/AA. If he caps it on the flop, then slow down on the turn and go into WA/WB mode. The fact that he didn't means you should be leading the turn.

If he raises your turn bet, then I may consider slowing down, thinking he was semi-slowplaying a set or AA. MP2 is just coming along for the ride, so he doesn't really concern me.

If you are just called on the turn after you lead, then lead the river as well.

martinimagic · #9 05-19-2006, 12:45 PM

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it doesn't make sense to 3-bet the flop and then check the turn.

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The.Accountant · #10 05-19-2006, 05:28 PM

Grunch:

I'd lead the turn after you 3-bet the flop.

You also beat AKs, AK, AQs, AJs.