Does a c-bet make sence here? KK (made up hand.)

[Ra_]

I made this hand up, is this a good spot to not c-bet heads up? Assume villian is not so tight he folds A with a bad kicker, I think that describes most of NL50 players

6 max NL50.

Hero has K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] on Button

folds to CO who limp, hero raises to 2.50, blinds folds.

Flop(5.75)
A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

CO checks, Hero?

[z28dreams]

Check behind, get to showdown as cheap as possible.

[Jamma]

Isn't it possible a bet will get you to showdown cheaper?

[Ra_]

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Isn't it possible a bet will get you to showdown cheaper?

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I don't see how.

[Dan Bitel]

we've discussed this type of hand a lot of late, and yes, checking is best

[Jamma]

I'm thinking if CO limps something like Axs, check the flop and you check behind.. he's gonna like his hand alot more.
I feel betting big PF and checking last to act on a ace high flop gives away your hand.

[ZingyDNA]

Are you kidding?

[keikiwai]

Why give villain a free draw? Bet this. You're taking the pot down. If villain calls, you can think about checking the turn.

Dry flop, you win this usually with a c-bet.

Also, checking on this flop when you don't have an ace is so transparent that even relatively unobservant opponents will start taking shots at you on the turn when they are OOP and on the flop when they are IP.

This is the exact flop you're hoping for w/ a pfr.

Also, if you only bet flops you hit, you will not get paid off.

[Dan Bitel]

keikiwai,

what draws are out there? Villain is drawing to 5 outs at very very best.

We don't want to "win it with a c-bet", we want value off worse hands, and to control our losses vs better hands. we do this by checking.

Villian folds an ace here exactly never, so betting gts called by better hands and doesn't maximise our value vs worse hands and there are no draws to protect ur hands against.

This situation come up so rarely villain won't realise.

I bet this flop 100% of the time with KQ though. Do you see the difference?

[keikiwai]

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keikiwai,

what draws are out there? Villain is drawing to 5 outs at very very best.

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IDC how many outs villain has. I don't give him a free draw. Additionally:

You check behind. Villain pots the turn. Now what? You cannot possibly fold. As villain will do this w/ any pair not just an ace... ESPECIALLY a turned pair. So, you call. Villain pots the river, and now you've just [censored] yourself.

OTOH: You bet flop. Villain calls. Now you can check behind on the turn, and you just got to showdown cheaper.

OR: You bet the flop. Villain calls. Villain leads turn. You can now fold.

You see the difference?

Esp. true if you check flop and turn is a Q,J,T,9... villain leads turn... you have no clue whether he's betting the flopped Ace or the turned pair.