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Old 05-18-2006, 01:00 PM
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Default KT in the BB vs 31/20/1.5

6-max, folded to the button who is 31/20/1.5 who raises. The SB folds and I call.

Flop AKQ
Hero check/calls

Turn 4
Hero....

What is Hero's action here, on various river cards and to various river actions?

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Old 05-18-2006, 01:05 PM
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Default Re: KT in the BB vs 31/20/1.5

use a hand converter or type out the hand correctly.

check raise flop
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Old 05-18-2006, 01:08 PM
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Default Re: KT in the BB vs 31/20/1.5

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use a hand converter or type out the hand correctly.

check raise flop

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The hand is typed out correctly.

Flop was played fine, I am wondering about turn and river plays.

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Old 05-18-2006, 01:27 PM
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Default Re: KT in the BB vs 31/20/1.5

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KT in the BB vs 31/20/1.5
6-max, folded to the BB who is 31/20/1.5 who raises. The SB folds and I call.


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sorry i dont get the action. folded to the button?
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Old 05-18-2006, 01:38 PM
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Default Re: KT in the BB vs 31/20/1.5

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The hand is typed out correctly.

Flop was played fine, I am wondering about turn and river plays.

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Why aren't you cr'ing the flop here? KTo is ahead of his stealing range.
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Old 05-18-2006, 01:42 PM
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Default Re: KT in the BB vs 31/20/1.5

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The hand is typed out correctly.

Flop was played fine, I am wondering about turn and river plays.

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Why aren't you cr'ing the flop here? KTo is ahead of his stealing range.

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With us holding a K on this board his calling range is not >50% of our range, or at least the times that he fires a bluff again on the turn does not warrant or require a flop raise.
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Old 05-18-2006, 02:02 PM
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Default Re: KT in the BB vs 31/20/1.5

I'm debating the flop. I can see pros for both your play and a c/r. Your explanation for NOT c/r'ing is incorrect, though, because this isn't the river. There are future streets to consider and your play will affect them. It's not a pure value vacuum.

For instance, if he has a naked J or T, a 31/20/1.5 guy might call the c/r and fold the turn UI (a bad flop call), and you don't expect him to get out of line due to his weak aggro #'s. Whereas a check/call on your part pretty much screams "showdown!" and he can check behind the turn should you check. A check/raise might also get the most out of a QT type hand, or from worse Kings he decides to showdown. Of course, if he has air, or a weak pocket pair, he folds to the c/r immediately, but you're also not going to get much value out of those hands if you check/call the whole way. He'd be dumb to follow up on the turn.

You need to bet the turn if you just check/call the flop, unless he's a real bluffing idiot. A check just lets better hands value bet and worse hands check to improve. Most hands that fold to a flop c/r are folding to your turn donk, too. So I think you get the most value out of a flop c/r for the times he calls the extra SB and folds the turn UI.

Anyway, given your flop play, bet/fold the turn, bet/fold the river.
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Old 05-18-2006, 02:30 PM
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Default Re: KT in the BB vs 31/20/1.5

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Your explanation for NOT c/r'ing is incorrect, though, because this isn't the river. There are future streets to consider and your play will affect them. It's not a pure value vacuum.


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i just want to quote this for emphasis
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Old 05-18-2006, 02:47 PM
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Default Re: KT in the BB vs 31/20/1.5

I like bet/fold turn and check/call most rivers.
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Old 05-18-2006, 03:02 PM
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Default Re: KT in the BB vs 31/20/1.5

Why check/call the river? I think bet/fold turn is good, why not river? You think we're getting bluff-raised off the better hand on the river?
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