PLO8 - $100 - Simple Pre-flop hand

[MarkD]

This is another hand where I don't feel that I played it particularly well. I was really unsure of my equity in this hand. This guy was a little loose and aggressive pre-flop 51/14. I thought about re-potting pre-flop but decided to see the flop and see if I liked it before committing chips. All thoughts appreciated on this simple hand.

Party Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
8 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $159.89
UTG+1: $104
MP1: $39.65
Hero: $95.05
CO: $91.91
Button: $101.99
SB: $99
BB: $59.91

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is MP2 with 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
2 folds, MP1 calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $5.5</font>, CO folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $20</font>, 3 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($42.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets $25.34</font>, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $25.34 returned to Button.

Results:
Final pot: $42.5

[neverforgetlol]

get it in preflop maybe?

[davebreal]

I generally prefer a smaller raise with A23s, it plays well multi-way, so there is no reason to scare off the customers. Against a LAG player with VPIP of 51%, I would consider a re-pot w/ A23J. Debatable, but might not be a mistake.

Obviously, it helps if you know their re-raise range (through previous hands).

[Bruce_Wayne]

Looks pretty standard. I don't think getting it all in PF is the right idea because even if he has a hand with a small pair you're no better than a coin flip:

Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 500000 sampled boards
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
3c Ah Jh 2h 171728 210340 269645 20015 145390 6506 72997 0.527
Ac 7c 3d 7h 128801 269645 210340 20015 29034 131254 72997 0.473

I think you played it fine. Raising a lesser amount PF also shouldn't matter much.

Obviously it helps to know what kind of a Nazi rat SOB you're dealing with and what his range would be in this situation. If he's got Aces, a King, or a Queen in his hand you're swimming in -EV waters, but if he's a tricky player he might be trying to push you off your hand since two high cards came. I agree with your fold however, his range is too wide to take the chance. You played it fine IMO.

[morphball]

I agree with Batman, except for the size of the preflop raise. I would usually throw in a smaller raise here (unless I wanted to be tricky) because this hand can stand callers. Moreover, as it played out, even if the guy is raising with air, you've only got 57% equity. If you start to give him real hands, your equity drops to 51%.

Ah2hJh3c 51.34%
AA2*,AA3*,AA**,KK**,QQ**,AWWW,A2**,BBBB 48.66%

(Turn those astricks into wheels and your equity is 50.9%.) If you bet smaller preflop, you'll get more callers, and possible avoid taking a big and painful flip.

[MarkD]

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get it in preflop maybe?

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I don't like this. I considered it at the table but decided against it.

[MarkD]

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I agree with Batman, except for the size of the preflop raise. I would usually throw in a smaller raise here

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I think this is right. I generally just bet pot and raise pot and that's what I did here. In hindsight I think I should have raised to 3 to build the pot with equity but still entice callers. It also limits my losses in situations like this one. I think this is a pretty good play and one I will start to use.

I guess this is a "pot sweetener" type of raise.

[davebreal]

Mark - A23s + big raise is not going to get any A2s, A3s, and usually even A4s + A5s to fold preflop... so yes, it's best to not be pot committed generally.. and prepare for post-flop play instead.

This is drawing from my own experiences, and what works best for me.

[MarkD]

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Mark - A23s + big raise is not going to get any A2s, A3s, and usually even A4s + A5s to fold preflop... so yes, it's best to not be pot committed generally.. and prepare for post-flop play instead.

This is drawing from my own experiences, and what works best for me.

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But you are still looking to get value from a hand like this right? That is what I was trying to do. I didn't want to eliminate the field really, but was hoping to get a decent pot going with a hand that should get quite a few decent flops.

[davebreal]

depends on position, 2x BB is not unreasonable.. a different strategy that some employ (not usually myself), is to limp, and trap/dominate other 23xx hands.