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Old 05-16-2006, 10:05 PM
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Default 99 free showdown raise, multiway pot

CO is a laggy 70/21/2.5 type
UTG is basically unknown but not that loose
MP is a fish

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, MP calls, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls, CO calls.

Flop: (10.33 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB folds, UTG calls, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, UTG calls, MP calls.

Turn: (11.16 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
UTG checks, MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG calls, MP folds, CO calls.

River: (17.16 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, CO checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 17.16 BB
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Old 05-16-2006, 10:48 PM
Kwaz Kwaz is offline
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Default Re: 99 free showdown raise, multiway pot

If you can fold to a CO 3bet it's perty.
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Old 05-16-2006, 10:51 PM
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Default Re: 99 free showdown raise, multiway pot

Every street looks good to me. Youre a significant underdog to have the best hand on the turn but that doesnt matter becuz you only have to win this large pot a very small percentage of time to make this turn raise +EV. NH.
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Old 05-16-2006, 11:21 PM
El Ishmael El Ishmael is offline
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Default Re: 99 free showdown raise, multiway pot

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If you can fold to a CO 3bet it's perty.

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This is the only issue. CO could have and 3-bet a lot of two-pair hands which folding would be a significant mistake against.
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Old 05-16-2006, 11:28 PM
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Default Re: 99 free showdown raise, multiway pot

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If you can fold to a CO 3bet it's perty.

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This is the only issue. CO could have and 3-bet a lot of two-pair hands which folding would be a significant mistake against.

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I agree with this. Furthermore, we're talking about a guy who's something of a maniac. Those are near maniacal stats. I wouldn't fold to a three bet on the turn. Oh, and BTW, why don't we like a flop cap here? This charges GSSD's too much to chase (not that they won't anyway but it forces them to make an obvious mistake). Using the CO's aggression against him is fine but I'd just do it sooner. That's why we're on his left here.
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Old 05-16-2006, 11:32 PM
ILOVEPOKER929 ILOVEPOKER929 is offline
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Default Re: 99 free showdown raise, multiway pot

Calling the flop 3bet with the intentinon of popping the turn, increases the hero's probability of winning this large pot so much that capping the flop would be terrible.
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Old 05-16-2006, 11:43 PM
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Calling the flop 3bet with the intentinon of popping the turn, increases the hero's probability of winning this large pot so much that capping the flop would be terrible.

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I'm no good at poker.... so... please explain.
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Old 05-16-2006, 11:53 PM
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Default Re: 99 free showdown raise, multiway pot

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Calling the flop 3bet with the intentinon of popping the turn, increases the hero's probability of winning this large pot so much that capping the flop would be terrible.

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I'm no good at poker.... so... please explain.

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If we cap the flop, the laggy guy may check to us on the turn. And this is the last thing we want. We want the laggy guy leading into us on the turn so we can raise and protect our hand by forcing everyone else to call 2 cold. This strategy should increase the hero's probability of winning this pot significanly those times the hero actually does have the best hand. That is why capping the flop for value is a bad play. When the pot gets large, ultilzing the strategy that gives us the highest probability of winning this pot will usually be the right play. Capping the flop for value may induce the lag to check to us on the turn resulting in the hero not being able to protect his hand in this large pot.
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Old 05-17-2006, 12:04 AM
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Default Re: 99 free showdown raise, multiway pot

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Calling the flop 3bet with the intentinon of popping the turn, increases the hero's probability of winning this large pot so much that capping the flop would be terrible.

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I'm no good at poker.... so... please explain.

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If we cap the flop, the laggy guy may check to us on the turn. And this is the last thing we want. We want the laggy guy leading into us on the turn so we can raise and protect our hand by forcing everyone else to call 2 cold. This strategy should increase the hero's probability of winning this pot significanly those times the hero actually does have the best hand. That is why capping the flop for value is a bad play. When the pot gets large, ultilzing the strategy that gives us the highest probability of winning this pot will usually be the right play. Capping the flop for value may induce the lag to check to us on the turn resulting in the hero not being able to protect his hand in this large pot.

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nice post
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