Unity and Trinity Contradiction

Bork · #1 12-28-2005, 08:21 PM

Proof that the orthodox christian God doesnt exist:

Orthodox Christians believe that the father, the son, and the holy ghost are three distinct entities. They also believe that each is wholly God.

The above beliefs entail that 3 equals one or that identity is not transitive. It is impossible for 3 to equal one or for identity to not be transitive. Hence, orthodox christians believe in an impossible God. Hence, the God they believe in doesn't exist.

http://www.catholic.net/RCC/Catechism/3/l3.html

peritonlogon · #2 12-28-2005, 08:32 PM

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Proof that the orthodox christian God doesnt exist:

Orthodox Christians believe that the father, the son, and the holy ghost are three distinct entities. They also believe that each is wholly God.

The above beliefs entail a contradiction. It is impossible for contradictory statements to both be true. Hence, orthodox christians believe in an impossible God. Hence, the God they believe in doesn't exist.

http://www.catholic.net/RCC/Catechism/3/l3.html

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You forgot the part in orthodox christianity that states that humans can't reason about god. Pointing out that the trinity is perplexing is nothing new and no argument that it's wrong. BTW I'm an Atheist.

Bork · #3 12-28-2005, 08:34 PM

It is not a mystery or perplexing it is provably impossible.

peritonlogon · #4 12-28-2005, 08:35 PM

when I said "God can't be reasoned about" that means humans aren't capable of doing it. ie god is beyond human comprehension, ie irrational ie, what you said was not a proof.

BluffTHIS! · #5 12-28-2005, 08:53 PM

God and His attributes > mathematical laws He created regarding a universe He created and whose laws don't limit Him.

Bork · #6 12-28-2005, 09:00 PM

I comprehend that 3 does not equal 1 and because of this the God they believe in is impossible.

Anything humans can believe in can be reasoned about.

I can say 2 + 2 = 7 and that this is beyond your reasoning capabilities so you cant prove me wrong. Obviously it can be reasoned about just like every other belief that can be contained in our skulls.

You guys really think if God willed it, then 2+2 would equal 7 and that he could make a squirrel fatter than itself etc.. ?

Peter666 · #7 12-29-2005, 01:56 AM

It is three distinct persons in one God, not three gods in one God. 1*1*1 = 1

hmkpoker · #8 12-29-2005, 02:11 AM

So the father multiplied by the son multiplied by the holy spirit equals god?

I remember this nonsense from catholic school. They come up with a mystery that's supposed to defy human logic and cannot translate into a rational logical or mathematical statement, but then come up with something that doesn't fit the analogy and try to do it anyway because it looks nice.

Bork · #9 12-29-2005, 03:58 AM

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It is three distinct persons in one God, not three gods in one God. 1*1*1 = 1

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No, this is wrong. Allegedly, they are each wholly God. Checkout the Catechism link in my OP.

Peter666 · #10 12-29-2005, 11:12 PM

"No, this is wrong. Allegedly, they are each wholly God. Checkout the Catechism link in my OP."

They are wholly God because they are the same God. For example, we can have Bork in a good mood, a bad mood and an indifferent mood. Bork encompasses all three moods which are distinct, but they still make up Bork. If you wake up in a good mood one day, and a bad mood the other day, you have not changed the fact that you are Bork, the same Bork who is also the good mood Bork.