Pot odds: Why cant I call with 3 outs getting 9,5-to-1 on the flop?

[mostmighty]

I cant figure this out - so I hope you all can enlighten me! :-)

Look for example in the hand quiz section in SSHE, quiz 9 on flop play. The flop have come on the table and a player bets before us, making it 9,5 small bets in the pot. The author says that he thinks we have 3 clean outs. Based on that, the advice is to fold to the bet.
I understand that if you only calculate my chances for getting my draw at the turn, the odds will only be 3 out of 47, that is 14,7-to-1. But what I dont understand is why we dont include the chance to hit the outs at the river too? In that case I would have two subsequent draws both getting approximately 14,7-to-1. And that would justify calling with pot odds of 9,5-to-1, right?
So why dont the authors include those future probabilities too?? Through the whole book they talk about that if I get 4 cards to a flush on the flop, I will have 35% chance of hitting the flush at latest by the river. So in this case we DO include the future draws too in our calculations.

So, please enlighten me - what havent I understood? :-)

[Peoplez]

Because you probably have to pay another bet on the turn before you see that last card.

[mostmighty]

But wouldnt I then just have to see if the pot odds justified a call on the turn?. The 3 outs out of 46 cards will then give 14,3-to-1

[Artsemis]

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But wouldnt I then just have to see if the pot odds justified a call on the turn?. The 3 outs out of 46 cards will then give 14,3-to-1

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That is the odds to hit the draw on the river, you are now excluding the turn card.

[mostmighty]

Yes, because now I am talking about evaluating if I should call after seeing the (blank) river too.

[ooloth]

i had the exact same confusion a couple months ago. bottom line, consider the odds for the next card ONLY, unless you are going all-in in no limit, so there will be no more betting in future rounds. the odds only apply to the very next card; think of each card separately. Where the 35% chance of catching your flop comes in is when you are thinking about your pot equity, and whether or not you should raise rather than just whether to call. Odds are for the next card; % is for equity (i.e. should you raise). Most of this has been said already, but I wanted to make it point-blank to leave no doubt. hope that helps!

[Banks2334]

Your odds won't be justified on the turn because the betting limit is doubled.

[mostmighty]

Yes, I know, but what I meant were, that I would evaluate that when the time comes.

[Banks2334]

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Yes, I know, but what I meant were, that I would evaluate that when the time comes.

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I'm addressing that time. You don't have odds on the flop, and on the turn your odds will be even worse because the limits have doubled.

[mostmighty]

So if I have 4 cards to a flush on the flop, then the correct way of evaluating if I should call a bet, is to only think of it like i am having 9 outs, and not like I have 35% chance of cathcing the flush at latest by the river?

Sorry if I am repeating myself, I am only asking to learn. :-)