recent chatban from fulltilt: are pro's the end all be all?

[logic411]

Hello All,
Below is a copy of emails between myself and fulltilt. This is in regards to my chat being blocked for one month by none other than mike matusow. tell me what you think. after this read from bottom up.


Hello,
Thanks for your email. I can assure you that a your chat was disabled by a member of Team Full Tilt on chat monitoring duties, and not the offended pro in question. Aspreviously stated, your chat will be eligible for reinstatement on June 12, 2006. Please email us on that date and we will glady reinstate your chat. Thanks again, and if there's anything else we can help you with, please let us know. Regards, StevenTeam Full Tilt ----------------------------------------------------------------------

Original Message Follows:------------------------HERE'S A QUESTION......WHO WAS IT THAT DISABLED MY CHAT?? FULLTILT OR THE "OFFENDED PRO"? I FIND IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR FULLTILT TO ACT SO QUICKLY,THEREFORE IT MUST HAVE BEEN THE "PRO". IS FULLTILT IN THE HABIT OF ALLOWING THE "PRO'S" TO BE THE END ALL BE ALL OF DECISION MAKING WHEN ITREGARDS US "LOWER-TIER" PLAYERS? I MUST SAY I AM RATHER AMUSED BY THIS AND AS I PREVIOUSLY STATED, I WILL ENSURE THAT OTHER SUCH "PIONS" ARE JUST AS AMUSED. I'M SURE THIS WILL MAKE FOR GREAT FODDER ON THE INTERNETMESSAGE BOARDS. AT LEAST THERE IS ONE LAST BASTION OF FREE SPEECH THAT THE "PRO'S" CAN NOT INHIBIT. I EXPECT YOUR REPLY TO BE RATHER SHORT AS IT IS OBVIOUS THAT MY ARGUMENTS ARE OF GREATER MERIT AND MUCH MORE WELL VERSED THAN YOUR OWN. SINCERELY, JUST ANOTHER "LOW-TIER" POKER PION (AKA-NON-"PRO") >

Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 00:50:42 -0700> From: support@fulltiltpoker.com> .com> Subject: Chat Disabled (KMM837001I21203L0KM)> >
Hello,
Thank you for your email.> > Unfortunately our policy does not provide for any early reinstatement of> chat after someone has violated our chat policy while at a table. Your > chat will be eligible for reinstatement on June 12, 2006. > > Thank you for your cooperation, and if there's anything else we can help> you with, please let us know.> > Regards,> > Tre> Team FullTilt> >

---------------------> > > Original Message Follows:> ------------------------> I AM RATHER AMUSED AT THE "OFFENDING COMMENTS". THERE IS NOT ONE CURSE > WITHIN THE COMMENTS. ONE COMMENT COULD BE DEEMED OFFENSIVE, WHEREAS I > NOTICE THATYOU DO NOT INCLUDE THE COMMENTS WHICH WERE BEING RESPONDED > TO. BUT OF COURSE WERE YOU TO DO SO THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY PLAYERS LEFT > AT YOUR TABLES. THERE ARE "PRO'S" ON EVERY SITE AND NO WHERE ELSE DO I > SEE SUCH CODDLING AND DOUBLE STANDARDS. MR. MATUSOW IS KNOWN FOR HIS > RATHER OFFHAND COMMENTS AND IT IS RATHER AMUSING THAT HE IS THE > "OFFENDED PARTY". IT IS QUITE OBVIOUS THAT THERE IS A LOWER THRESHOLD >FOR COMMENTS OF OTHERS WHO ARE NOT "PRO'S". TO SUSPEND A PERSON FOR 1 > MONTH WITHOUT DUE COURSE OR WARNING IS BOTH EXTREME AND EXCESSIVE. THE >"BLOW ME" COMMENT WAS NOT DIRECTED AT YOUR "PRO" WHICH IS QUITE OBVIOUS > WERE YOU TO LOOK AT THE TEXT IN FULL. IN FACT, I WOULD LIKE A COPY OF > THE REPORT FROM THE PERSON I WAS RESPONDING TO WHERE THEY STATE THEY ARE> OFFENDED. HOWEVER, WERE THAT TO HAPPEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO DEAL WITH THEIR> USE OF FOUL LANGUAGE. BUT OF COURSE AS LONG AS US PIONS ARE CHEERLEADERS> FOR YOUR "PROS" IT MUST BE FINE TO USE WHATEVER FOUL LANGUAGE WE LIKE. > AS A MATTER OF FACT, ALL OF THE COMMENTS WERE GENERALIZED AND > IMPERSONAL, TO WHICH THERE AS NOT A DIRECT ATTACK. I HAVE SEEN COMMENTS > THAT WERE MUCH MORE "OFFENSIVE" ON THE TABLES OF YOUR NON PROS, BUT OF > COURSE WE ARE BUT THE LOWER TIER PEOPLE OF WHOM YOU COULD OBVOUSLY CARE > LESS ABOUT. IF YOU WISH TO USE SUCH ARBITRARY DISCRETION WHEN DOLING OUT> PENALTIES TO US "NON-PROS" THEN BE PREPARED FOR THE BACKLASH. THERE ARE > MANY POKER SITES AND NO WHERE IN YOUR NAMEDO I SEE "FULLTILT PRO > POKER". SUCH PENALTIES ONLY SERVE TO PUSH US "LOW-TIER" PLAYERS TO SEEK > ALTERNATE SITES. AND AS I SAID PREVIOUSLY, EVERYONE CAN SELECT A > PERSON'S NAME AND CHOOSE IGNORE CHAT, THEREFORE YOUR PENALTY IS > LAUGHABLE. THIS IS A DIRECT INDICATION OF THE DOUBLE STANDARD. JUST SOME> FOOD FOR THOUGHT.> > >

Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 14:46:23 -0700> From: > support@fulltiltpoker.com> To: Subject: RE: Re: > chat disabled (KMM832161I21203L0KM)> >
Hello
I understand > your frustration.> > As you may already know, we value all players and > wishto cultivate an > environment in which they can play without being > harassed or called > names at the tables. A copy of the offending chat > is shown below:> > "here's an idea.....blow me"> "mike must of got a >payday loan to sit down"> "only thing mike gives out is his chips"> > "just a degenerate at everything else"> > As you can see, these insults > are not tolerated on our site, regardless > of who the insults are > directed at. However, a pro of Full Tilt does > have a higher profile, >and frankly, they are easy targets because of > their recognition. For >this reason, we must have a stricter rule in chat> when it comes to > other players targeting pro's.> > Please be advised that future > infractions of this nature may cause your > chat privileges to be > revoked for an extended period; repeated > infractions may result in the> permanent suspension of your chat > privileges.> > We thank you foryour> cooperation in this matter, and wish you best of > luck at the tables.> > > > Regards,> > JoeW> Team Full Tilt>----------------------------------------------------------------------> > > >

Original Message Follows:> ------------------------> PLEASE TELL ME > YOU ARE NOT SERIOUS. THESE PEOPLE ARE "PRO'S". THEY HAVE > THE SAME> OPTION AS US "LESSER PLAYERS" TO IGNORE AN INDIVIDUALS CHAT. > YOU > ACTUALLY BLOCK PLAYERS CHAT AT THE BEHEST OF A "PRO"? THIS IS > > RIDICULOUS. YOU MAY WANT TO RECONSIDER THIS POLICY AS I PROMISE THAT > >ONCE MY CHAT IS RESTORED I WILL MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS MADE COMMON > > KNOWLEDGE. "PRO'S" ARE NOT YOUR ONLY PLAYERS, AND UNTIL YOU MAKE IT > > WHERE EVERYONE'S CHAT IS DISABLED FOR MAKING A COMMENT IT IS A DOUBLE > > STANDARD. I LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR REPLY.> > > > > > > Date: Sun, 14 May> 2006 12:48:48 -0700> From: > support@fulltiltpoker.com> To: > Subject: Re: chat > disabled > (KMM831585I21203L0KM)> >
Hello
Thank you for your > email.> >> Your chat has been revoked for 30 days due to harassment of > one of our> > pros.> > Please email us on 06/12/06 to have your chat > reinstated.> > > Thank you for your cooperation, and best of luck at the> tables.> > >> Regards,> > JoeW> Team Full Tilt> > > > --------------------------------------> > > > >

Original Message Follows:> ------------------------> username: >> logic411> > > why has my chat been disabled??> > >

[edfurlong]

Don't berate the fish.

[IronDragon1]

How they didn't respond your rational discourse is just beyond me. What a bunch of jerks.

[boc4life]

I sure hope everything works out for you

[funkymunky]

I think you might be eligible for reinstatement of your chat privledges (SP?) as of June 12, 2006.

[benfranklin]

So you go on FullTilt, you call one of their pros a degenerate, you tell him to blow you, and you can't understand why they would take exception to that. What we have here is a failure to communicate.

I would not want to play at any site that would tolerate that from any player talking to any other player, site pro or not.

You presented no evidence that their action was not justified, and your comments to them were rambling and immature, as was your original chat. Looks like you were trying to out-bully the schoolyard bully, and he wouldn't come down to your level. How embarassing to lose a battle of wits to Mike the Mouth.

Hint: For future reference, don't type in all caps. It annoys the reader and further reduces your credibility. It is the online equivalent of sputtering and spitting while ranting and raving.

PS I assume that you know you don't have a leg to stand on here, since you opened a new account to post this gripe.

[The Young Gun]

First you mispelled peon.
Secondly you are a [censored].

[Xellos]

Your emails were in caps so I assumed they were stupid and didn't bother reading them. I'm surprised the FTP support didn't do the same.

[benfranklin]

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First you mispelled peon.


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Not necessarily.

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SINCERELY, JUST ANOTHER "LOW-TIER" POKER PION

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He might have meant pion:

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pi·on
n.
A semistable meson produced either in a neutral form with a mass 264 times that of an electron and a mean lifetime of 8.4 × 10-17 seconds or in a positively or negatively charged form with a mass 273 times that of an electron and a mean lifetime of 2.6 × 10-8 seconds.

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I don't know if he is a meson, but he certainly is semistable.

[logic411]

obviously you did not read what was written whereas if you did you would see that I clearly stated that the comment "blow me" wasn't directed at the "pro". The comments that were directed at the pro were only written after a remark first made by him. the fact that i opened a new account means what exactly?