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Old 05-15-2006, 06:04 PM
MATT111 MATT111 is offline
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Default I hate raise/folding...

but this time I thought there was no way I am ahead and probably drawing dead.

Villain is 22/7/1.2

Party Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $10/$20
5 players
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Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, 3 folds, BB calls.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4.5SB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4.25BB, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB caps</font>, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to BB.

Results:
Final pot: 10.25BB
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Old 05-15-2006, 06:11 PM
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Default Re: I hate raise/folding...

I would have just called the turn check/raise.
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Old 05-15-2006, 06:26 PM
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Default Re: I hate raise/folding...

This isn't terrible, but the chance that he's doing this with a fd is not zero. More importantly, since he's BB, there is a decent chance he's doing this w/ 2 pair, which you could conterfeit. It would have cost the same to call down the turn c/r.
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Old 05-15-2006, 06:39 PM
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Default Re: I hate raise/folding...

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This isn't terrible, but the chance that he's doing this with a fd is not zero. More importantly, since he's BB, there is a decent chance he's doing this w/ 2 pair, which you could conterfeit. It would have cost the same to call down the turn c/r.

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I agree with this. On the other hand on a board like this I felt I had to 3bet a strong made hand. I am still not sure what is best. HIs AF suggested that he would not cap a FD or 2p. But still it is not completely impossible. Also most possible 2p hands probably fold preflop againt an UTG raise.
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Old 05-15-2006, 06:40 PM
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probably drawing dead.

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So he "probably" had 45? Because that's the only hand you are drawing dead against. I call down here always.
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Old 05-15-2006, 06:41 PM
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I just would have called down after his turn c/r.
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Old 05-15-2006, 06:43 PM
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Also most possible 2p hands probably fold preflop againt an UTG raise.

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Not if they're suited. Also, Qx[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (non 2pair too) is well within his range even after the turn cap.
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Old 05-15-2006, 06:58 PM
ILOVEPOKER929 ILOVEPOKER929 is offline
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Default Re: I hate raise/folding...

Just call down once your checkraised and then I like this hand.
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Old 05-15-2006, 08:09 PM
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Default Re: I hate raise/folding...

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Also, Qx[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (non 2pair too) is well within his range even after the turn cap.

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22/7/1.2? no way. i call down from the turn c/r too, but i think everyone needs to reconsider what this kind of player is donkbet/calling the flop then c/r capping the turn with.
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Old 05-15-2006, 08:19 PM
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Default Re: I hate raise/folding...

you've still got 8 outs against 2 pair. call down.
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